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anotheridiot · Guru

Will next episodes legitimize Fast 'n Loud or??

1Moparsick0 · Guru

Will the upcoming episodes bring legitimacy to the GMG boys with Little E coming to the shop to have business with Richard an Aaron, or will it be the last gasp jump the shark moment that the production company will try to build some improved ratings.

anotheridiot · Guru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnyKC0aiAYI

1Moparsick0 · Guru

I don't see any legitimacy to the program, compared to Counting Cars, or West Coast Customs show, or a Hot Rod tv, or Even Stacy David Gears tv,, or even like pushing the edge of the spectrum to American Restoration.

Only thing that DRAWS the ratings to it is the Junevile antics, an overblown cast of misfits that making the show the "Jackass" of the Automotive Hobby shows.

Least at one time before the overblown dramatic came in AC was ten times better a product for the advertiser to invest in the program. An that is one thing that GMG will never have that kind of legitimacy, because the show is based on the failure of the crew an it's collection of malcontents the abusingly consume alcohol, an drive vehicles with unsafe an erractic behavior.

anotheridiot · Guru

You are not looking for it to be legitimate. You will find anything wrong you possibly can with the show.

Counting cars is a good show, but when do you ever see them working on the cars? its a 30 second montage between dollar bills or fat scott walking around a shop in flip flops, then within a half hour show, they have the scrap heap moved 3 months forward to the reveal.

They show Gas monkey working on the cars thats what I want to watch. At least show some wrenches turning, The most I have seen them talking about anything mechanical was a three minute spot of them under a car looking at the Bob Marley gas tank building drama. What did danny say? We cant get parts, but then he said I have an europeon model, why the hell didnt you pull the gas tank from that one for your customer then?

They are showing rednecks turning 750 dollar trucks into a 40,000 truck and even though I smelled it was completely staged and the deal was struck before the build even started, it still was entertaining for two shows. Dont forget their business invented words like Preservation. To me Gas monkey is laughing at everyone that took AC so seriously, a company, without discovery channel would still be the bain of the custom chopper world. Discovery made OCC legitimate, their mistake with gas monkey is they think they can control them too and Richard will laugh all the way to the beer truck..

1Moparsick0 · Guru

If the show came out with legitimacy off the bat.. I'd have a different opinion, but it didn't. I can't help the nature that it does to leave a nasty taste in my mouth. The lies about Fred, an where an how it was gotten. The fact that they tried in 2006 to build the show but it blew up in there faces when the Hot-rodding community found out the marketing effort to snow them over on the show being a "real hotrodding" show.

The sheer fact they promote negative behaviors turned me off to the show.

anotheridiot · Guru

I get that side Mopar, just saying that all the "real" bike builders had the same problem when OCC got the series. The down and dirty real chopper shops still want nothing to do with OCC or like them as the "kings" of the industry. They were outsiders that did not belong, someone discovery felt they could control since they werent jesse james or indian larry. Its the same pattern they are using on gas monkey, instead richard and aaron are still richard and aaron, and have no desire to get paul jr recognition as the greatest mind in the industry. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

They still build hot rods, make old crap road safe and get more people interested in restoring american cars and bottom line, its just a tv show.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

Oh.. I will agree that by no means is OCC or Paul Jr the kind of people I'd want a bike for a custom bike. Way to expensive, for something that I'd want to blindly throw money at either of the two.. If it was a riders bike, I'd want Jesse to build it, Senior would be if I wanted alot a tech in it, as far as custom CNC,flowjet, or other innovation, an style an looking good, it would be Paulie.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
I get that side Mopar, just saying that all the "real" bike builders had the same problem when OCC got the series. The down and dirty real chopper shops still want nothing to do with OCC or like them as the "kings" of the industry. They were outsiders that did not belong, someone discovery felt they could control since they werent jesse james or indian larry. Its the same pattern they are using on gas monkey, instead richard and aaron are still richard and aaron, and have no desire to get paul jr recognition as the greatest mind in the industry. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

They still build hot rods, make old crap road safe and get more people interested in restoring american cars and bottom line, its just a tv show.

B( Cough, Cough)ullchip Road safe?!?!?!? That's like saying you could ride a Paul Jr bike to Sturgis an back, on one tank of gasoline. Restoring?!?!? That like getting Freddy Krueger give you a close shave.

anotheridiot · Guru

Remember the rusty wagon they built? the entire underside of the frame was new, new suspension, always new brakes, thats what makes it road safe to me. Solid frame, solid mounts, it wont run itself off the road and it will stop. Thats road safe to me. As far as going, that is secondary in considering a car safe, its handling and stopping and some shop down there always has parts for the old heaps they find. I get my old stuff on rock auto, name brands at generic prices, but if you want to find brakes for a 58 desoto, you will probably find them there.

the last truck, that was made to be a burnout machine, but where they could have built spacers to get the front end to get close, they chopped the frame and straightened it. the whining about the front that was off .3 degrees could have easily been overlooked for the speed turnaround. Thats where I give them some respect when Aaron takes extra days for safety.

anotheridiot · Guru

Does Dale Jr legitimize them yet?

1Moparsick0 · Guru

No but I have to at least say that they went tastefully on the wheels, but she looked pretty damn good with any wheel that year galaxie is hard to mess up the good looks. Didn't like the hack job for the exhaust, the 390 FE motor would been more a tastful deal. But a FE series is a heavyweight bruiser when the manifolds alone weigh 100+ pounds close to even the weight of the modern aluminum block replacing it.

Didn't see them hack the springs to change the stance but I was busy flipping back an forth from Top Gear an other MORE interesting programs.

-- Edited by 1Moparsick0 on Wednesday 24th of July 2013 09:25:21 AM

PAMD · Senior Member

Whatever legitimacy accumulated since the show's inception went kaput with the "1.21 gigawatts" Aaron Kauffman ident-commercial from last week.

Seriously, though, and I'm not attempting to "pile on" here, but from what I recall, "Gas Monkey Garage" was created solely for purposes of having a platform from which to sell a television show about unconventional hot rod building:

http://spankmymarketer.com/it-looks-like.html

I almost wish that I had not read those pages, as they soured an already blemished attitude towards reality-based television. With that said, and on the positive side of things, I've gained some respect for Danny "the Count" Koker's show, "Counting Customs" for being a legitimate operation before "pawn stardom's" pursuit of a second spinoff.

I think that the truth here would be that most of us would enjoy the heck out of viewing video taken in a legitimate first-class automotive or motorcycle restoration shop, video complete with the angst of having real problems such as a cracked frame, or a quarter panel damaged to the point that the metal must be shrunk in addition to just being straightened. Wouldn't it be great to watch someone straighten a door, roof, hood, deck lid, quarter panel, or fender, on an older car (which was built from older, less brittle alloys - which could be "worked" without the absolute need for the use of polyester body filler), instead of watching these so-called restoration experts who get the body "close enough", then smear two gallons of catalyzed polyester filler onto the entire body, then use an entire ream of 80-grit fileboard paper to "sand the body straight"?? (great run-on sentence, eh??)

Stacey David is about as close as TV has come to showing someone who is truly skilled in the art of autobody repair, while Marcel DeLay, the owner/founder of Marcel's Custom Metal Shaping, of Carona, Callifornia is definitely among the best in the world. I'd subscribe to a (pay) video feed from Marcel's in a New York minute....

PAMD · Senior Member

For what it's worth, I just spotted this recently posted video, produced by Mustie 1, which shows him working on his '59 VW Single Cab. If this guy was on TV, I believe we'd all be watching his exploits:

1Moparsick0 · Guru

Mustie does have a quite cool playtoy there.. I respect the team a Count's much more than what is feed to me from some of the other producers of auto related programs.

anotheridiot · Guru

1Moparsick0 wrote:
Mustie does have a quite cool playtoy there.. I respect the team a Count's much more than what is feed to me from some of the other producers of auto related programs.

The team at Counts are top end customizers, not preservers or restorers, but thats just the team. Fat scott and the manager dont do anything with the cars, dont even know if they have any mechanic ability or just walk his purse dogs around and tell people to work.

Its the show we are discussing and not what will happen to them off tv. I still would rather see more work at counts instead of driving around with thousands of dollars pulling cars over. The 30 seconds of months of work just aggravate me.

PAMD · Senior Member

We've all been saying the same thing (we want to see more hands-on work, fabrication, and far "friggin" less drama and contrived BS which some producer seems to think is more palatable to the view than the truly real adventures normal to most garage-type operations) about different networks and shows, but for some reason we have yet to figure out how to get the 'powers that be' to listen to actual hardcore viewers....

yeah, I could scream...

Airplane Repo is on, and it's not half bad, when compared to their norm... (Sage-Popovich repo'd a Hawker 400 in '09 from the airport where I hangar my '69 Aztec [MQS]. The repo was shown on one of the earlier versions of the show with the same name. That version of the show was far more realistic than this newer "more dramatic" version. At least Mike Rowe is still getting some voiceover work....)