They're supposed to be having a "heartfelt goodbye" to the Teutuls during the Build-off. I think that it is a poor choice to take time away from the show to focus on only two of the builders. If I were JJ or GM, I'd be PO'd about it. The build-off should be it's own thing.
A better idea would be to put together an hour long retrospect and air it the following monday.
American Chopper, Dirty Jobs, and Mythbusters put Discovery on the map at a time that only insomniacs would tune in to pass the time at 3am. It's sad that they would just walk away from these seminal shows without any acknowledgment.
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OCC lists 18 bikes as production bikes on their site. I kinda think that business will be enough to keep the bike shop running. I dont know what their sales are, but Mike has mentioned numerous times that the Greenie is one of their most popular production bikes.
Any two can take over Two Guys Garage as far as I am concerned. That show has gone from bad to worse. I guess we will see if the two, Vinnie and Rick, that I think will be happiest for the cameras to leave will be the first to be put back in front of a camera.
Senior is a fighter, and I really think he will be highly motivated to make sure he continues and does not make it seem like Discovery has kept him in business. Discovery played a bigger part in ruining his relationship with his sons than bringing him business.
Where are those bikes listed? All I can see is 1 priced at 38,000. Who is going to pay that when you can get a Harley for about half the price?
Discovery played a bigger part in ruining his relationship with his sons than bringing him business. Come on be real.
They didnt give it away on the description of the show like they gave away Scott leaving on gas monkey garage.
I think they consider the final chopper episode at the end of the buildoff since they said there will be a special goodbye to jr and sr next week.
They did a good job of closure in my opinion. Sat down to lunch in a restaurant that looked like they opened early for the cameras because I doubt sleeveless t shirts and a baseball cap are regular dress code in that place lol. Sr going and hating the prototype and killing the company seemed kinda thrown together and staged to end all questions, mainly because that production bike was on an old lift by the back door before, not by the main stage lift. I think we will get the wave goodbye from Mikey next week.
In all honesty, the shops have been busy, doing their thing, and since the announcement was only a couple weeks ago, I really dont think they had time to do it right. Maybe they will have a series finale from the bikes, builds and good things that came out of those shops over the past 10 years and leave all the crap out. I think that would be a fitting end.
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The show was "weird", as I am both elated that they seemed to put things back on track, however, the "wind down" at both shops was wholly evident. Much of it was impossible to view (the confrontational scenes), as I think we've all had our fill of it. At the conclusion of the episode, I felt like saying "what in the hell did I just watch?".
On the other hand, I really believe that OCC is setting itself up as a machine shop/prototype production shop/parts manufacturer. I caught a glimpse of at least three machine operators at one (brief) point, and I believe that I saw four in action during a previous episode.
OCC will probably keep the showroom, a small (motorcycle) building operation, the restaurant, and a production machine shop going for the foreseeable future.
PJD, on the other hand, was totally reliant on the show for generating their customer base, at best, we'll see "PJD Brand" clothing, and that's about all from Junior.
Vinnie, Cody, Brendon, and the balance of the PJD crew/contractors are victims of the "it was a fun ride while it lasted" phase of life.
I doubt there will be a redux of the show in any form. ...and I'm still betting the farm on my friend's "gossip" that two of the cast members will be seen on Saturday morning's in about six months, on either SpeedTV or SpikeTV.
El Guapo will become despondent without his weekly dose of Rachael; perhaps we will see him on an episode of A&E's "Intervention"?? (I hope not)
They're supposed to be having a "heartfelt goodbye" to the Teutuls during the Build-off. I think that it is a poor choice to take time away from the show to focus on only two of the builders. If I were JJ or GM, I'd be PO'd about it.
It'd be even more unique to see JJ or GM when they weren't PO'd about something.
To tell you the truth, one of the main reasons I've always liked Paulie, Vinnie and Rick is because they're like the bikers I've known and hung out with: they're nice guys who don't like to talk about their personal lives and problems. (Of course, the bikers I've known didn't have a camera stuck in their faces and some half-wit constantly goading them with questions about their families.)
I played in the house band at a club in SF that was the favorite haunt of the Hell's Angels (and I mean THE Hell's Angels) for a year or so in the late 90's. That's how I'd describe them to a T: nice guys. Most had wives and kids and mortgages like anybody else, so they stayed out of trouble.
But then, I never stuck a camera in their face and asked them whether their father was a douchbag or not.
On the other hand, I really believe that OCC is setting itself up as a machine shop/prototype production shop/parts manufacturer. I caught a glimpse of at least three machine operators at one (brief) point, and I believe that I saw four in action during a previous episode.
OCC will probably keep the showroom, a small (motorcycle) building operation, the restaurant, and a production machine shop going for the foreseeable future.
I doubt there will be a redux of the show in any form. ...and I'm still betting the farm on my friend's "gossip" that two of the cast members will be seen on Saturday morning's in about six months, on either SpeedTV or SpikeTV.
El Guapo will become despondent without his weekly dose of Rachael; perhaps we will see him on an episode of A&E's "Intervention"?? (I hope not)
OCC lists 18 bikes as production bikes on their site. I kinda think that business will be enough to keep the bike shop running. I dont know what their sales are, but Mike has mentioned numerous times that the Greenie is one of their most popular production bikes.
Any two can take over Two Guys Garage as far as I am concerned. That show has gone from bad to worse. I guess we will see if the two, Vinnie and Rick, that I think will be happiest for the cameras to leave will be the first to be put back in front of a camera.
Senior is a fighter, and I really think he will be highly motivated to make sure he continues and does not make it seem like Discovery has kept him in business. Discovery played a bigger part in ruining his relationship with his sons than bringing him business.
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OCC lists 18 bikes as production bikes on their site. I kinda think that business will be enough to keep the bike shop running. I dont know what their sales are, but Mike has mentioned numerous times that the Greenie is one of their most popular production bikes.
Any two can take over Two Guys Garage as far as I am concerned. That show has gone from bad to worse. I guess we will see if the two, Vinnie and Rick, that I think will be happiest for the cameras to leave will be the first to be put back in front of a camera.
Senior is a fighter, and I really think he will be highly motivated to make sure he continues and does not make it seem like Discovery has kept him in business. Discovery played a bigger part in ruining his relationship with his sons than bringing him business.
Where are those bikes listed? All I can see is 1 priced at 38,000. Who is going to pay that when you can get a Harley for about half the price?
Discovery played a bigger part in ruining his relationship with his sons than bringing him business. Come on be real.
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The hardest working person at OCC is the person Jason steals his designs from.
Your just not a bike shop till you start selling Xmas supplies and party decorations.
I saw an advertisement for one shortly after the initial display model (in OCC's showroom) was built; it was in all-black. I must say, a marvelous piece of machinery; reminiscent of a cross between a 1930's Indian, and a 1950's Electra Glide.
Just watched the series finale and I have to say it did not look like it was filmed/edited as such. I wonder if this episode was already in the can before the cancelation notice went out. Have to say I enjoyed the Sr. - Jr. lunch segment and even got a little choked up seeing them put the joint project aside so they could get back to making progress on their personal relationship. I will give Sr. credit for passing on the importance of helping others to Jr. The Sandy relief segment was timely and reminded me Sr. had some redeeming qualities over the years. The pranks I could have done without but what would a pilgrim production be without a few minutes of Keystone Cops action. Hope to see better farewell segments on buildoff special and perhaps a glimpse into what the future may hold for our favorite cast members.
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...The hardest working people at OCC are; the Criminal Fraud Defense Attorney, Foreclosure Negotiator, Divorce Attorney, and now.... the personal bankruptcy attorney.
Now that some time has elapsed I wonder if anybody has found out what happened? Was there a big shake up at Discovery. Did Dirty Jobs get canceled because Mike Rowe was connected to AC also? I know that Jr had a argument with the head of Pilgrim but it sounded that that wasn't the first time the Teutels argued with Phil whatever his last name. And I thought they made up....
As I have stated, I don't watch Discovery regularly since AC is gone. I've watched a couple of Dual Survivors but that's all. But just changing channels I don't see any re-runs of AC.
I have found a program that I like but I forgot the channel and I haven't seen it in the past couple of weeks. It's Duck Dynasty! It's so silly I bust out laughing when I don't expect to. Now that's a show I like!!!! And I like the story behind the family Robertson. I hope they will be like the Duggars and not let "Hollywood" change them!!!
I must confess, I am a fan of Duck Dynasty. Never would have thought, but there you go.
I despise the Duggars and everything they stand for. Undereducated, overbreeding Christian dominionists who have destroyed the lives of 19 children. That isn't a family, it's an orphanage.
There is a family who lives near my home, the "Celtic" Martins, (and I can state this publicly, because they state it publicly within their business acumen), who operate using practices similar to that of the Duggar family. They associate mostly with those of a similar and agreeing mindset. Where their structural model fails is when any members of the family are forced to live without the support and contact of other family members.When that time comes, it will be next to impossible for them to "melt" into society; for survival, they must seek out someone of similar ilk, and continue these same practices, in perpetuity.
I can honestly say that the Martin children are very well educated, well-rounded psychologically, and lead happy and very productive lives. That said, I'm fairly certain that they see the balance of society as being defective. (and sometimes I agree with that view)
What concerns me is that when the time comes for them to go out into the world, that world will be within the boundaries of the safety provided them by their family, and that of other families whose mantra in life would be considered in total agreement with that of the Duggars.
Emily, the eldest daughter, was ranked as the top violinist (non orchestral) in the United States. I've been to their performances, and must say that they are among the most talented musicians whom I've ever had the pleasure of encountering.
I seem to remember something, a while back, regarding a complaint by a guidance counselor from the Conrad Weiser School District, in which the Martin's reside. In Pennsylvania, all who are home schooled must encounter periodic testing, with the testing being administered within the school responsible for each child's particular grade level. Emily placed at the top of what would have been her class, and that particular guidance counselor was upset because - while the testing had been performed by the public school(s), and while she had been promoted to each succeeding grade level (by testing performed at those schools), the district was not allowed to factor in her performance when state evaluators came in to analyze the school's performance.
I believe there was somewhat of a rift because that counselor had tried to convince the Martin's that Emily would thrive in higher education, and that she be allowed to "bloom" in her chosen field. I've searched the Reading, PA newspaper, to no avail. The article may have been in one of those free shopping papers.
As far as the "barefoot and pregnant" conjecture goes:
(Posted on their website)
Dated February 2012: "In other news, Elijah Roeder and I (Emily) are getting married in June!!! He and I plan to keep playing with the Celtic Martins for a while, at least."
Dated January 2013: "Yes, Emily and Elijah are looking forward to a new addition to their little family. Mom and baby are doing well, and we are looking forward to meeting him/her sometime in May!"
In this area, rich with Mennonites, Amish, Quakers, Martinites, Schwenkfelders, and a few other religious sects which chose to limit their societal interaction, the Martins fit right in, and appear to be our local version of the "Partridge Family". ,,,,, and yes, they have their own bus, a red one.
While the Martins wear their religion on their sleeve(s), I don't see them as far gone as the Duggar's. I, too, expect to see (in my lifetime) one, or more of the Duggar clan authoring a tell-all book. Wherever the Duggar clan goes, they more than attract attention, in-fact, they seem to command/demand it. I am not sure if the emotional conditioning provided by Jim Bob and Michelle has been strong enough to overcome the nature of human beings need to explore our world.
I'm not promoting isolationism here, however, with all of the crap going on in today's society, I tend to view the Martins as less of a "cult", and more of a family whose main goal is to provide at least a few brief periods of carefree living, before this evil world devours everyone, their soul(s), and a societal structure which once stood for "doing everything in a proper manner, contributing to society in a positive manner, and exiting this world a better place than when you arrived. These virtues have long since died.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who feels like this country is "circling the drain".
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The Duggar kids are grossly undereducated, if you want to call Michelle Duggar's version of "homeschooling" an education. No one who believes the world was created in literally 6 twenty four hour days has any business providing the sole education of 19 children. The older girls are forced to raise the younger children. That is unconsciounable. If you can't raise them yourself, don't have them. You don't pass off the regular care of a baby, including getting up at night with them, to your teenage daughters. They did not choose that for themselves.
The Duggars now have five children over the age of 20, who all live at home and who have had access to higher education cut off. The family are followers of Bill Gothard, who is a dominionist cult leader. The girls are expected to get married and pop out as many babies as they can, regardless of their personal wishes. The boys are set up in "businesses" by Jim Bob, so they will be controlled by their father all their lives. That family is my beserk button. Christians don't hide from the world and keep their children ignorant in order to ensure compliance to a parental lifestyle. If the faith is strong and meaningful, the kids will always come back, even after exposures to evil liberal universities. *rolls eyes*. These kids don't get a choice. When they are raised without a good education, exposure to different people and religion, are forced to take care of their parents' children, how can anyone say that they choose this lifestyle freely?
I think several "tell all" books are going to come out of that family in the next 2 decades.
The Martin kids are talented. I think it is a shame though, to not expose their talent to better training and education by encouraging them to go to a conservatory. If their faith is so solid, they wouldn't need to "protect" the kids from ideas that are different from theirs.