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AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

RE: Junior is a dumb @ss and we seen it clearly tonight

rumple · Senior Member

Here's the National Geographic Channels' show "Ultimate Factories" tour of Harley-Davidson's factory. The hangers might be hand-built, but everything on them is made by robots and cake-decorators. biggrin

One thing I've admired about Harleys for years is their proprietary suspension system on the FXD line, where the rear suspension is hidden by the transmission, making them indistinguishable from a hardtail. Even knowledgeable mechanics and the most pedantic message board posters have probably seen them and were completely oblivious to their existance.

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

Again, great. I don't see how the fact that a Harley rear suspension bike has a similar look to a rigid frame means Rick or Jr have more integrity for wanting to build rigid frame (not Harley look-like) bikes? Because so far as I know neither of them are building Harleys, or talking about building Harleys. They are talking about building rigid frames, period.

SherryRichard · Senior Member

Look my husband and I started watching this show when it first went on the air; except I didn't watch the pilot when it first aired. I did see it in a repeat. Additionally, there were some shows where we were given the history of the family. And no one on this forum complained because we wanted to know.

I didn't start posting on this forum until 2005 but I lurked and read the forum. At first there were jerks who wanted to know what they were earning. People would have to school them because it wasn't just a TV show, it was their business. They were one of the first reality shows and it wasn't all about drama at first; that came later.

And it got worse every season until we ended up with them breaking up. It was the only place they could go.

And you know what? Watch these other shows on Discovery and TLC and I'm told other channels are just as bad. They take something like Where's Paulie and keep it up until you have a brawl over where Jr has got to. I think though it is very telling when Sr and Jr were having that meeting at OCC. Sr told Jr, "Oh that's just the show." I think that told a lot. I think Sr allowed himself to become such a villian that he hurt his business. One of the things that Discovery and the Teutels didn't want to happen but I think Sr got carried away.

Anyway, Sr still has the Sunshine bike; he never sold it. It was said that when Sr decided to become a business he had Jr come over from the iron works and they founded OCC.

If you want to know who ruined this show it wasn't Jr and probably it wasn't Sr; although many people quit watching the show because of Sr's drama. And I watched a whole lot of people leave this forum because they wanted to see a show where they built cool bikes; even women left the show for the same reason. However, I don't know if it was the producer or Discovery that insisted in all of the drama and fights. We didn't have a problem when the arguments first started because they were over quickly and they were best buds afterward. You know there are a lot of people who can't handle power or fame. I don't think Sr could handle either. It went to his head just like it does with other people.

There were just too many big egos to go around for that show. Either the producer or Discovery was going to have their way regarding the format of the show no matter what; even if the show tanked. There are a whole lot of shows that have gone off the air and they aren't replacing them with really good shows. They want to make them cheap and their egos don't let anyone make them change the format; even their viewers. That's a ruining proposition! I don't think there is anybody around anymore but me that watched people sign on the show's forum to say they were leaving because of the drama!!! They wanted to watch bikes being built. There is some formula they use to determine the percentage of the majority that are voicing their concerns. They knew they were ruining this show and they didn't care. We pay for these channels whether we watch them or not.

SherryRichard · Senior Member

I didn't know there was more pages to this topic; I forgot to look. In terms of Rick or Jr's preferences I kinda think they develop a reputation for certain kinds of bikes. When people go to them they go to them because they want what they are building. And nowadays you have a lot of wanna-be bikers. They go out for perhaps a half a day's ride cut up by stopping off at cafe's or maybe even bars, and then the bike sits in their garage. One of my husband's best friends rides with one of the bands of Indians out here. They go riding but spend more time stopping at the cafes to eat.

If a person wants a soft tail, they will go somewhere where the builder builds soft tails.

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

Granted, Sherry. But the point was if you're going to design and build a production bike, wouldn't you design a bike that would appeal to the widest possible audience so that it sells? Why design a bike that the vast majority of people would not even consider? At that point you might as well just build a custom bike for all you're going to build.

SherryRichard · Senior Member

Anita, perhaps the best thing that came out of this is that Sr accepted Jr's "no." Now they MAY learn how to deal with each other as two adults; not daddy and child.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

There are so many details that both needed to work out. Years of scars don't go away in a day or week. Even today I can imagine that for them to work it out without the show coming in an chipping away at the trust each new season, that each of them open their mouths on each other an lash out.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

I mean a misplaced joke or a attempt to dig into another seems to send the sides back into thier own corners. I find it hard to believe that Teutuls as the family can ever be repaired without some kind of time away from the cameras.

anotheridiot · Guru

SherryRichard wrote:
Look my husband and I started watching this show when it first went on the air; except I didn't watch the pilot when it first aired. I did see it in a repeat. Additionally, there were some shows where we were given the history of the family. And no one on this forum complained because we wanted to know.

I didn't start posting on this forum until 2005 but I lurked and read the forum. At first there were jerks who wanted to know what they were earning. People would have to school them because it wasn't just a TV show, it was their business. They were one of the first reality shows and it wasn't all about drama at first; that came later.

And it got worse every season until we ended up with them breaking up. It was the only place they could go.

I still cant believe members think this forum is affiliated with discovery channel in any way.

ElGuapo · Guru

Coxie:"After Jr left OCC for good Sr and Pilgrim asked Discovery if they would do a show with just OCC and Sr but Discovery said no and the only way they would do another show is if Jr and PJD was involved. Jr didn't want to do it so Pilgrim had to beg him to do it. "

Shenanigans. You make it seem like Discovery just had to have Junior. That Junior was the focus. When that was not it at all. There would only be a show if BOTH Senior and Junior were involved. NO show will only Junior, NO show with only Senior.

So Junior is not above Senior in the decision for the continuation of AC. Both SEnior and Junior had to be involved, that was the stipulation.

ElGuapo · Guru

anotheridiot:"The begging is gonna be Jr begging Rachael not to leave him."

Eventually Junior will pay for crushing Rachael's dream of a boutique.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Coxie:"After Jr left OCC for good Sr and Pilgrim asked Discovery if they would do a show with just OCC and Sr but Discovery said no and the only way they would do another show is if Jr and PJD was involved. Jr didn't want to do it so Pilgrim had to beg him to do it. "

Shenanigans. You make it seem like Discovery just had to have Junior. That Junior was the focus. When that was not it at all. There would only be a show if BOTH Senior and Junior were involved. NO show will only Junior, NO show with only Senior.

So Junior is not above Senior in the decision for the continuation of AC. Both SEnior and Junior had to be involved, that was the stipulation.

But they did have to have Jr didn't they El, after Sr tried to do it alone. I'm not saying he was the focus, all I'm saying is they didn't want a Sr only show. No one knows if they would do a Jr only show because he didn't try to get his own show behind people's backs. Maybe if he had a production team behind him like Sr did then who knows?????? He's getting his own show now and let's see if Sr will?

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
anotheridiot:"The begging is gonna be Jr begging Rachael not to leave him."

Eventually Junior will pay for crushing Rachael's dream of a boutique.

But you've been saying that for years and years and years now and yet she is still with him and didn't she marry him after that happen? Yeah that's right after crushing her dreams she married him, what a silly girl.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
anotheridiot:"The begging is gonna be Jr begging Rachael not to leave him."

Eventually Junior will pay for crushing Rachael's dream of a boutique.

El, hunny, boo-boo.. He didn't crush it, they worked it out together, an she is the designer at head of the apparel end of PJD lifestyle wear. Maybe she didn't get her big break into fashion as she dreamed upon it as a brick'n mortar boutique.

ElGuapo · Guru

Rachael can make Junior pay a much more heavy price by being his wife rather than girl friend.

And Rachael was crushed when Junior sold the boutique behind her back. At the moment I have misplaced all of my awesome quotes that were used to crush the opposition, but fear not, I will find them or Senior will e-mail me them again.

ElGuapo · Guru

That "story" (that the boutique was never real) was generated by the Junior SuperFriends. Never have I seen official statements or documents that stated everything about the boutique was falsified or "staged".

What I did see, was someone ruthlessly crush their wife's dreams, and all for money.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Never have I seen official statements or documents that stated the boutique was real.

ElGuapo · Guru

BAd Coxie!!!!!!!!

If you wish to use that logic that nothing that was shown on American Chopper was actually real. That OCC never existed, that PJD never existed, then I guess you could.

ghostmonkey · Guru

BAd El!!!!!!!!

If you wish to use that logic that Rachael's dreams where crushed behind her back even though after that she married Jr then I guess you could. Both ways El.

ElGuapo · Guru

Not at all. You said that the boutique was not real. An actual building that was filmed in, worked on, had Junior and Rachael put their hand prints in the cement in the basement, did not actually exist.

And I say it did.

ghostmonkey · Guru

I'm saying who really knows? And my point was and always is if she thought it was such a bad thing then why marry the guy? She got over it very quickly so why cant you?

ElGuapo · Guru

I say if a woman wants revenge, then she can do much more damage as a wife rather than a girlfriend. Even Junior admits he made a mistake in selling Rachael's boutique behind her back

"I thought I would take her (Rachael) to dinner, to soften her up" Junior; Saginaw Chippews episode

Now if someone had done nothing wrong, then there would not be a need to "soften" the other person up.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
I say if a woman wants revenge, then she can do much more damage as a wife rather than a girlfriend. Even Junior admits he made a mistake in selling Rachael's boutique behind her back

"I thought I would take her (Rachael) to dinner, to soften her up" Junior; Saginaw Chippews episode

Now if someone had done nothing wrong, then there would not be a need to "soften" the other person up.

So when is this revenge going to happen El? We've heard you saying this for years and years and years now.

1Moparsick0 · Guru

come on ghostie... you got him to he mat... Take his mask off... lmao... the grea elguapo is finished..