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anotheridiot · Guru

RE: Junior is a dumb @ss and we seen it clearly tonight

jakemac · Senior Member

Sr's image would be a little more clear, if his actions would match his words. In the 'talking head' segments he will talk about wanting a better relationship with his sons, but then we see footage of him bad mouthing them to others. It comes off as inconsistent, and opens the door to speculate about motive.

ElGuapo · Guru

Shenanigans!!!!!!!!

If Junior wasn't as sensitive as a 6 year old girl, then things would be fine. Junior takes everything straight to heart, and acts like it is world ending.

Look if me and you Jacques were like best friends ( heaven forbid, going down a bad road there), but anyways, if we were. And we worked in a shop environment for years, and years. Well every now and then I might call you some name. Now you could run out of the building, crying, and get into your car and hug your care bear. I suppose that is possible. But what you probably will do is call me something bad, and that would probably be the end of that. Or you could argue it out, even fight it out. But I feel you get over it, after all you are friends forever, right Jacques?????

Now a father and son can have this same type thing. Give and take.

anotheridiot · Guru

We want to do this together.

Jr, I ordered a frame.
Sr, we didnt even talk about that. we build production bikes already and soft tails are most popular and sell better.

Jr wants a hard tail, he builds what looks good and not much considering riding it. Case in point, two motorcycles with exhaust in front of the driver to give the driver carbon monoxide poisoning while riding and burning thighs. Looks cool, no place on a daily rider.

Sr wants a soft tail, snappy fuel injected engine, rubber mounted as well to be an incredibly comfortable bike.

Really, which is gonna sell better? Who is clueless about production bikes? All jr wanted for OCC to make 4 production bikes so he would be left alone on the theme bikes. That doesnt count for running the business. They say 20% was not enough, if jr builds one to occ building 4 production bikes, thats 20%.

ElGuapo · Guru

Junior appears as though he does not understand the business process. He acts like all that matters is that it looks nice. No concern for rideability at all. It is all about looks and "image". The same thing we see with his personae.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

anotheridiot wrote:
We want to do this together.

Jr, I ordered a frame.
Sr, we didnt even talk about that. we build production bikes already and soft tails are most popular and sell better.

Jr wants a hard tail, he builds what looks good and not much considering riding it. Case in point, two motorcycles with exhaust in front of the driver to give the driver carbon monoxide poisoning while riding and burning thighs. Looks cool, no place on a daily rider.

Sr wants a soft tail, snappy fuel injected engine, rubber mounted as well to be an incredibly comfortable bike.

Really, which is gonna sell better? Who is clueless about production bikes? All jr wanted for OCC to make 4 production bikes so he would be left alone on the theme bikes. That doesnt count for running the business. They say 20% was not enough, if jr builds one to occ building 4 production bikes, thats 20%.

Then why don't Senior an stoolie build what they seem is the best bike they can build an Junior build what he thinks is a bike the people want an see which one sells the best.. Same as you did when you first started O.C.C.

-- Edited by 1Moparsick0 on Thursday 29th of November 2012 10:41:36 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

Snidely Whiplash rocks!!!!

So does Dick Dastardly!!

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
It makes no sense to keep this going. Everything the monkey claims about Sr can be claimed about jr and vice versa.

Sr is constantly giving credit to Mike, Christian, Rick, the machinists, painter, everyone that is hands on each build. The only time he argued was when jr was there and gave sr no credit. what is jr doing now? sitting in an office, travelling around meeting people to spread his brand, everything sr was doing when jr claimed sr was doing nothing to build the bikes. jr is not just doing that when there isnt a bike on the lift. the first thing I saw jr weld in two years was tacking the frame for the playground tank with a big glob of mig in the center of each joint. they had people come in to do the aluminum frame on the 9/11 model (for whatever reason needs a new motor an trans when it sits as a display piece at probably a 25-20k price for nice shiny stuff) has renegade do his wheels, frames all outsourced.

Where has Jr said that he was the only one who founded OCC? Don't say everything I claims about Sr can be claimed about Jr because that is a complete lie.

Look at what Sr said to Vinnie, he gave Vinnie no credit at all.

Jr still does more then Sr ever did. When have you seen Sr do more then the handlebars? and most of the time he doesn't even finish them.

While he feels he learned a lot about being a manager and a leader from his dad, Danny is proud that his management style is different. He is willing to take risks, but there is more planning and fewer snap decisions. He is in charge, but not pushy or arrogant. There is more communication, lots less yelling.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
Reason why i said he is a dumbazz is because everyone predicted the inevitable but, Junior. His own employees knew the outcome but, Junior. Only reason Junior ignored everyone because he seen it as a chance to "Use" Senior to promote his amatuer film studio and gain awareness by filming a commercial. So don't even go their trying to make it (one sided) on Senior's behalf. They both used eachother to gain something in return!!

So why did Sr go along with it? He must be a dumbass as well. Wasn't it suggested by Steve anyway?

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 10:14:14 PM

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 10:31:08 PM

Renegade · Senior Member

ElGuapo wrote:
This is the same old

Junior=good
Senior=bad

When people begin from the perspective, then you have the comments above.

If Senior wishes to be a little nicer to Junior, well that is bad because he is only doing it because he wants to be more popular. If Senior is not a little nicer, well that is bad because it shows he has no concern for his son.

Never will Senior get any credit what so ever in some people's minds, and conversely never will Junior do anything that will even remotely come close to being negative or bad.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Thursday 29th of November 2012 11:18:01 AM

Same old recipe just different cake mix.

Renegade · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Reason why i said he is a dumbazz is because everyone predicted the inevitable but, Junior. His own employees knew the outcome but, Junior. Only reason Junior ignored everyone because he seen it as a chance to "Use" Senior to promote his amatuer film studio and gain awareness by filming a commercial. So don't even go their trying to make it (one sided) on Senior's behalf. They both used eachother to gain something in return!!
So why did Sr go along with it? He must be a dumbass as well. Wasn't it suggested by Steve anyway?

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 10:14:14 PM

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 10:31:08 PM

Listen carefully junior azz kisser. Senior went along with it because he had no choice. Torn between the buisness and family. He's on his last resort right now. He'll do anything atm to gain his family and sons trust back. But, only so much a man can take before he snaps. Junior is at fault and he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.

rumple · Veteran Member

Renegade wrote:
he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.

He no lucky, he design gooder. Vin Code stay because his good choices.

ElGuapo · Guru

Vinnie stays because he is paid well and he is on TV. Would Vinnie have abandoned his own company, V-Force, if PJD was not on TV???? Probably not. Does Vinnie realize that it is important for the future of V-Force that his image stay in the publics minds for as long as possible??? I am sure he does.

Now besides this, we are overlooking a very important factor with Vinnie joining PJD. Seems Vinnie does not like Senior. Well what better way to stick it to the Conquistador than join his son's motorcycle company?????? And be able to meet Senior face to face with builds???? The Conquistadore was probably a driving force for Vin.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
Listen carefully junior azz kisser. Senior went along with it because he had no choice. Torn between the buisness and family. He's on his last resort right now. He'll do anything atm to gain his family and sons trust back. But, only so much a man can take before he snaps. Junior is at fault and he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.

OK Sr nut hugger. Torn between the business and family. Dam you must be on some good ****. Did you not watch the last 4 years? It was Steve M idea you fool, maybe Sr should tell his employees to shut up once in a while.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim that Jr cost them the show, what's that you cant? thought so LMAO

PAMD · Senior Member

This is tame compared to what transpired at the original board.

Renegade · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Listen carefully junior azz kisser. Senior went along with it because he had no choice. Torn between the buisness and family. He's on his last resort right now. He'll do anything atm to gain his family and sons trust back. But, only so much a man can take before he snaps. Junior is at fault and he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.
OK Sr nut hugger. Torn between the business and family. Dam you must be on some good ****. Did you not watch the last 4 years? It was Steve M idea you fool, maybe Sr should tell his employees to shut up once in a while.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim that Jr cost them the show, what's that you cant? thought so LMAO

Besides throwing your own poo. Get a clue. Moron you of all people should know by now since on DC i been a junior supporter. Just cause he messed up and i call him out doesn't mean i'm on his side. Unlike you i'm not biased Junior ass kisser.

Nobody talking about 4 years ago fool. We talking about right now. Stop being stuck in the past. We talking about Junior's bad decisions and Pilgian throwing his immature azz out.

Renegade · Senior Member

PAMD wrote:
This is tame compared to what transpired at the original board.

Indeed. The site is boring so you need some kaos to keep it live.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Listen carefully junior azz kisser. Senior went along with it because he had no choice. Torn between the buisness and family. He's on his last resort right now. He'll do anything atm to gain his family and sons trust back. But, only so much a man can take before he snaps. Junior is at fault and he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.
OK Sr nut hugger. Torn between the business and family. Dam you must be on some good ****. Did you not watch the last 4 years? It was Steve M idea you fool, maybe Sr should tell his employees to shut up once in a while.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim that Jr cost them the show, what's that you cant? thought so LMAO
Besides throwing your own poo. Get a clue. Moron you of all people should know by now since on DC i been a junior supporter. Just cause he messed up and i call him out doesn't mean i'm on his side. Unlike you i'm not biased Junior ass kisser.

Nobody talking about 4 years ago fool. We talking about right now. Stop being stuck in the past. We talking about Junior's bad decisions and Pilgian throwing his immature azz out.

Little boy in mummys basement will say anything just to try to fit in. Knowing you are thick I'll explain something, if you haven't worked out yet that people like El and I don't really believe half the crap we post we do it for some light entertainment. Giving El a hard time is great fun and even though we go at it like cats and dogs sometimes I know we have a respect for eachother no matter what crap we post. Unlike you with people on here.

Love how you cant back up your big mouth. Are you going to prove that Jr cost them the show?

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
It makes no sense to keep this going. Everything the monkey claims about Sr can be claimed about jr and vice versa.

Sr is constantly giving credit to Mike, Christian, Rick, the machinists, painter, everyone that is hands on each build. The only time he argued was when jr was there and gave sr no credit. what is jr doing now? sitting in an office, travelling around meeting people to spread his brand, everything sr was doing when jr claimed sr was doing nothing to build the bikes. jr is not just doing that when there isnt a bike on the lift. the first thing I saw jr weld in two years was tacking the frame for the playground tank with a big glob of mig in the center of each joint. they had people come in to do the aluminum frame on the 9/11 model (for whatever reason needs a new motor an trans when it sits as a display piece at probably a 25-20k price for nice shiny stuff) has renegade do his wheels, frames all outsourced.

Have a read of the about me on the OCC cafe.

http://occcafe.com/?page_id=68

jakemac · Senior Member

WOW, That was like reading something from an alternate universe. I almost choked.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Yep it's just too funny. I love the first two lines lol.

Renegade · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Listen carefully junior azz kisser. Senior went along with it because he had no choice. Torn between the buisness and family. He's on his last resort right now. He'll do anything atm to gain his family and sons trust back. But, only so much a man can take before he snaps. Junior is at fault and he lucky Vin and Code didn't leave PJD because his bad choices.
OK Sr nut hugger. Torn between the business and family. Dam you must be on some good ****. Did you not watch the last 4 years? It was Steve M idea you fool, maybe Sr should tell his employees to shut up once in a while.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim that Jr cost them the show, what's that you cant? thought so LMAO
Besides throwing your own poo. Get a clue. Moron you of all people should know by now since on DC i been a junior supporter. Just cause he messed up and i call him out doesn't mean i'm on his side. Unlike you i'm not biased Junior ass kisser.

Nobody talking about 4 years ago fool. We talking about right now. Stop being stuck in the past. We talking about Junior's bad decisions and Pilgian throwing his immature azz out.
Little boy in mummys basement will say anything just to try to fit in. Knowing you are thick I'll explain something, if you haven't worked out yet that people like El and I don't really believe half the crap we post we do it for some light entertainment. Giving El a hard time is great fun and even though we go at it like cats and dogs sometimes I know we have a respect for eachother no matter what crap we post. Unlike you with people on here.

Love how you cant back up your big mouth. Are you going to prove that Jr cost them the show?

-Yawns- i can't take you seriously. That's why my post count isn't nearly as high as yours. You on here all day when i'm not. I actually got a social life and real friends. You don't as we can tell for years. If your that slow and can't tell i'm just toying with you using you as entertainment the jokes on you. I could careless if you or anyone on here likes me.

Renegade · Senior Member

Btw seeing all your threads on here ghost is boring and get no replies nothing has changed lol.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
-Yawns- i can't take you seriously. That's why my post count isn't nearly as high as yours. You on here all day when i'm not. I actually got a social life and real friends. You don't as we can tell for years. If your that slow and can't tell i'm just toying with you using you as entertainment the jokes on you. I could careless if you or anyone on here likes me.

This from the dude who nearly became a master member on DC because you posted so much, the only reason you stopped was because everyone made fun of you. If you have ever noticed I'm no here in the business hours of Oz not personal time unlike you. You're on at night time when you should be out living your great social life bahahaha. I'm the one who is toying with you. Oh yes you sure do care that's why you try to suck up to people.

Still waiting, let me know when you are going to back up your big mouth. And you should talk about starting crap threads everyone still remembers DC.

Renegade · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
-Yawns- i can't take you seriously. That's why my post count isn't nearly as high as yours. You on here all day when i'm not. I actually got a social life and real friends. You don't as we can tell for years. If your that slow and can't tell i'm just toying with you using you as entertainment the jokes on you. I could careless if you or anyone on here likes me.
This from the dude who nearly became a master member on DC because you posted so much, the only reason you stopped was because everyone made fun of you. If you have ever noticed I'm no here in the business hours of Oz not personal time unlike you. You're on at night time when you should be out living your great social life bahahaha. I'm the one who is toying with you. Oh yes you sure do care that's why you try to suck up to people.

Still waiting, let me know when you are going to back up your big mouth. And you should talk about starting crap threads everyone still remembers DC.

Master member is 50k i only had like 5k So i suggest you "think" before you speak. Don't be mad because i controlled your destiny on Discovery. I had the choice to add karma to my post anytime i choosed but, didn't. Could've changed it to 50k back when i deleted you. wink

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
This from the dude who nearly became a master member on DC because you posted so much, the only reason you stopped was because everyone made fun of you. If you have ever noticed I'm no here in the business hours of Oz not personal time unlike you. You're on at night time when you should be out living your great social life bahahaha. I'm the one who is toying with you. Oh yes you sure do care that's why you try to suck up to people.

Still waiting, let me know when you are going to back up your big mouth. And you should talk about starting crap threads everyone still remembers DC.
Master member is 50k i only had like 5k So i suggest you "think" before you speak. Don't be mad because i controlled your destiny on Discovery. I had the choice to add karma to my post anytime i choosed but, didn't. Could've changed it to 50k back when i deleted you.

Yeah over 1000 posts more then me and El combined bahahaha. Even with your great social life? You controlled Jack and if you did you would of deleted mookie permanently. Keep living your little fantasy in your head.

Waiting...................................

ElGuapo · Guru

Wow, that OCC Cage page is inspiring. Just reading it I feel better. Can;t imagine how amazing it must be to actually be there.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Wow, that OCC Cage page is inspiring. Just reading it I feel better. Can;t imagine how amazing it must be to actually be there.

Gotta love this line El. The key to his success has been his creative and innovating designs and an unyielding stance on details and quality.

Man his ego just will not allow him to admit Jr played any part in the success of OCC. HIS creative and innovating designs.

ElGuapo · Guru

Shenanigans.

At a minimum should be "their". And I mean everyone involved, SEnior, Junior, Rick , vinnie, NUB, the whole gang.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Shenanigans.

At a minimum should be "their". And I mean everyone involved, SEnior, Junior, Rick , vinnie, NUB, the whole gang.

Bad Sr lol.

Renegade · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
This from the dude who nearly became a master member on DC because you posted so much, the only reason you stopped was because everyone made fun of you. If you have ever noticed I'm no here in the business hours of Oz not personal time unlike you. You're on at night time when you should be out living your great social life bahahaha. I'm the one who is toying with you. Oh yes you sure do care that's why you try to suck up to people.

Still waiting, let me know when you are going to back up your big mouth. And you should talk about starting crap threads everyone still remembers DC.
Master member is 50k i only had like 5k So i suggest you "think" before you speak. Don't be mad because i controlled your destiny on Discovery. I had the choice to add karma to my post anytime i choosed but, didn't. Could've changed it to 50k back when i deleted you.
Yeah over 1000 posts more then me and El combined bahahaha. Even with your great social life? You controlled Jack and if you did you would of deleted mookie permanently. Keep living your little fantasy in your head.

Waiting...................................

No fun deleting mookie permanently. I enjoyed giving him the privelage to keep joining only to get deleted again. Doesn't matter just because my threads were more active. You got to be a fool if you still think i cared about post count. I gave ben my word i wouldn't mess with anyone else. But, mookie. yawn

Renegade · Senior Member

ElGuapo wrote:
Shenanigans.

At a minimum should be "their". And I mean everyone involved, SEnior, Junior, Rick , vinnie, NUB, the whole gang.

After the show we won't be talkin about this anymore. disbelief

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
No fun deleting mookie permanently. I enjoyed giving him the privelage to keep joining only to get deleted again. Doesn't matter just because my threads were more active. You got to be a fool if you still think i cared about post count. I gave ben my word i wouldn't mess with anyone else. But, mookie.

Keep that little fantasy going in your head, no one believes you. Nah you don't care about post counts just who has the most popular threads bahahaha. And FYI it's privilege not privelage.

Renegade · Senior Member

Apparently you clarified that when i put out what you posted to ben clown ha. 313 posts your on a role. It's okay you can go outside now. See the world and what it has to offer you Cox:)

ghostmonkey · Guru

Um no I said I posted it on the forum, try to keep up. Done it seen it. Now go play in your sandbox all alone as always.

Renegade · Senior Member

Everyone knows me and more then they know you.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Renegade wrote:
Everyone knows me and more then they know you.

Yeah right. So have you grown the balls to say you were wrong and it wasn't Jr who cost them the show or are you still going on about your most popular thread? It's a wonder you haven't rated them.

Renegade · Senior Member

Yes Mookie rated them for me;) Still didn't save him from me deleting him numerous times lol.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Yes mookie. How's your most popular thread going? No balls still I see?

Renegade · Senior Member

It was funny ppl kept thinking i did when reality it was Mookie smh lol.

ghostmonkey · Guru

No rebel you did it.

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Everyone knows me and more then they know you.
Yeah right. So have you grown the balls to say you were wrong and it wasn't Jr who cost them the show or are you still going on about your most popular thread? It's a wonder you haven't rated them.

Until Sr is thrown off the set, it was Jr that cost them the show. Maybe building bikes over the past month would have helped them keep the show going, but PJCreations didnt do any.

No matter how many ways you try to twist it monkey, jr was thrown off the set. Sr is doing the show because its helping jr promote his business. It also put a check in mikeys pocket until he decided he wanted off too.

Lets make it simple and blame mikey for quitting as the reason they are cancelled. Paul Jr can keep putting up monuments to himself until he fizzles out.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
Until Sr is thrown off the set, it was Jr that cost them the show. Maybe building bikes over the past month would have helped them keep the show going, but PJCreations didnt do any.
No matter how many ways you try to twist it monkey, jr was thrown off the set. Sr is doing the show because its helping jr promote his business. It also put a check in mikeys pocket until he decided he wanted off too.
Lets make it simple and blame mikey for quitting as the reason they are cancelled. Paul Jr can keep putting up monuments to himself until he fizzles out.

And was the show cancelled because Jr was thrown off the set? Um no they had to run over to him and beg him to continue. B4 Sr v Jr who tried to do the show alone? Sr. Who did they have to beg to keep the show on air by doing the Sr v Jr? Jr. The show was cancelled because of loss of revenue, who's toxic behavior and negative imagine has scared away clients? Sr.

When will you guys realize that Pilgrim has no say on what gets shown on Discovery.

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Everyone knows me and more then they know you.
Yeah right. So have you grown the balls to say you were wrong and it wasn't Jr who cost them the show or are you still going on about your most popular thread? It's a wonder you haven't rated them.
Until Sr is thrown off the set, it was Jr that cost them the show. Maybe building bikes over the past month would have helped them keep the show going, but PJCreations didnt do any.
No matter how many ways you try to twist it monkey, jr was thrown off the set. Sr is doing the show because its helping jr promote his business. It also put a check in mikeys pocket until he decided he wanted off too.
Lets make it simple and blame mikey for quitting as the reason they are cancelled. Paul Jr can keep putting up monuments to himself until he fizzles out.
And was the show cancelled because Jr was thrown off the set? Um no they had to run over to him and beg him to continue. B4 Sr v Jr who tried to do the show alone? Sr. Who did they have to beg to keep the show on air by doing the Sr v Jr? Jr. The show was cancelled because of loss of revenue, who's toxic behavior and negative imagine has scared away clients? Sr.

When will you guys realize that Pilgrim has no say on what gets shown on Discovery.

Why was jr thrown off the set? was it because he refused to build bikes anymore?

Where is all this begging you speak of happening? The begging is gonna be Jr begging Rachael not to leave him.

Toxic behavior? LOL, Jr is no boy scout. If they wanted to make more revenue, they would air the show back on wednesday or thursday when there is no WWE Raw or NFL football to go up against. It ran its course, its done, there is nobody to blame. If there was, I am sure jr would be tweeting his spew before the shows air instead of tweeting about the show after he sees it, but then again, he might not even know what is gonna air anymore since his toxic ass was thrown out so he has to watch it with the rest of us.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
And was the show cancelled because Jr was thrown off the set? Um no they had to run over to him and beg him to continue. B4 Sr v Jr who tried to do the show alone? Sr. Who did they have to beg to keep the show on air by doing the Sr v Jr? Jr. The show was cancelled because of loss of revenue, who's toxic behavior and negative imagine has scared away clients? Sr.

When will you guys realize that Pilgrim has no say on what gets shown on Discovery.
Why was jr thrown off the set? was it because he refused to build bikes anymore?
Where is all this begging you speak of happening? The begging is gonna be Jr begging Rachael not to leave him.
Toxic behavior? LOL, Jr is no boy scout. If they wanted to make more revenue, they would air the show back on wednesday or thursday when there is no WWE Raw or NFL football to go up against. It ran its course, its done, there is nobody to blame. If there was, I am sure jr would be tweeting his spew before the shows air instead of tweeting about the show after he sees it, but then again, he might not even know what is gonna air anymore since his toxic ass was thrown out so he has to watch it with the rest of us.

Who cares why when it had no bearing on anything?

After Jr left OCC for good Sr and Pilgrim asked Discovery if they would do a show with just OCC and Sr but Discovery said no and the only way they would do another show is if Jr and PJD was involved. Jr didn't want to do it so Pilgrim had to beg him to do it.

So the show has run it's course and there is nobody to blame, then why say Until Sr is thrown off the set, it was Jr that cost them the show.??

Renegade · Senior Member

Smart move Junior. Get out of the production bike. Focus on the relationship:)

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

If people find softails more popular and buy them more often, it doesn't matter who Rick agrees with. There's no point in having a production bike that won't sell.

"Hardtails are cooler to build" is not a big selling point.

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

I guess the point being made went completely over your head (again).

I would think the production bikes at Harley, Kawasaki, etc. are also built by hand - it's the nature of the beast. The whole point of having a production bike is merely having predetermined off the shelf components - if not, it would be a custom bike, not a production bike.

And while the production aspect is the same for a hardtail or softail, PEOPLE BUY SOFTAILS. So you can make all the hardtails you want but they don't sell nearly as well as the softails so there's not much point in making them.

Jr wasn't making the production bike anyway. He was designing a production bike which OCC was going to make with the intention of selling bikes. As to PJD being steak, lol. You really, really need to pull your head out of Jr's ass before you suffocate. Neither OCC or PJD are steak. And how would you know what Jr wanted in the OCC cafe? He doesn't even have anything to do with it.

Rick might say he'd build a rigid for everyone, but ultimately he will be building what the customer wants. What he prefers has nothing to do with anything.

jakemac · Senior Member

Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam, OCC, Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam.

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

I don't have a problem with Rick agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. But if you're in business to sell something, it makes sense to build what people want to buy regardless of what you, yourself prefer. Because that's how business is done - you build what people will buy. If you build what people won't buy, you either won't be in business long, or your customer base will be much smaller.

Rigids are uncomfortable, especially on long rides. Most people don't want to buy them. That's a fact, regardless of what Jr, Sr or Rick like or don't like.

Also, google Harley Davidson production line. Yes, there are hangers holding the bikes, but there is also a guy standing next to each hanger, hand assembling the bike. I also wasn't putting them in the same category as Sr. That would just be silly. My point was, bikes being what they are, hand assembly is necessary for much of it.