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Couldn't sleep, eh? "I know, I'll go online and tell that monkey a thing or two."

What's it like to have insomnia AND Tourette's?

Renegade wrote:

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I think monkey might be the biggest junior lover officially.

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 And we all know what you are bud. Maybe mummy will take you down to see Sr and Jason today so you can get a pic with your fav designer and bike builder. Bahahahaha

Watching the clip of Jason shouting out that line made a visual picture of little kid yelling.   Damnit I am a Big BOy....

Wow, you correcting someone else's English is like Senior giving advice on parenting. I imagine having a conversation with you must be nearly impossible without a Gibberish-to-English dictionary.

Renegade wrote:

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 You of all people don't need to talk. Better then coxie and ghostmonkey. It's names that has a purpose and meaning.

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 The One? The one what? And Renegade? Yeah rebel of your mum's basement.

 

So what's the meanings and purpose? To show you're a tool?

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 07:12:24 PM

Renegade wrote:

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I already knew people would complain and try to get me banned. You wouldn't of known if i didn't tell you either. So be honored your the chosen few. Obviously Americans know british people slang and english isn't the best like their teeths lmao.

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 No they wouldn't cause NOBODY cared. All that happen was the date joined changed. WOW big deal.

YOUR it's you're as in you are.

 

As for the last sentence I would reply but I doubt you even know what it says or means. 

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Monday 3rd of December 2012 01:07:45 AM

rumple wrote:

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Wow, you correcting someone else's English is like Senior giving advice on parenting. I imagine having a conversation with you must be nearly impossible without a Gibberish-to-English dictionary.

Funny accents and english gibberish can be entertaining like Sheamus from WWE. Fella..you serious? Look up the meaning of mummy in the english dictionary.

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Renegade wrote:

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 The One? The one what? And Renegade? Yeah rebel of your mum's basement.

 

So what's the meanings and purpose? To show you're a tool?

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Sund

mum·my/ˈməmē/

 

 

Noun:

A body of a human being or animal that has been ceremonially preserved by removal of the internal organs,... A well-preserved, desiccated body.

is that what you want your mother to be associated with? Nextime before you use the word mummy or any word like bum or arse think.

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 The one. can mean many things some think it's off the matrix or a jet li movie. Basically i controlled your destiny in the end of discovery forums demise. Renegade and rebel my actions is i do what i want and say what i please.  And yours? Coxie and ghost monkey? let's see you top that.

-- Edited by Renegade on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 09:32:32 PM

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 LMFAO what a load of BS. Top what? You never controlled jack. The only reason you waited to tell your so called confession was so no one could check out the truth from the mods. Rebel ok NEO bahahahaha.

 

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/mummy

 

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/mummy_1

 

Do yourself a fav and do some reading for a change because it's really getting old making you look foolish.

 

LMAO Nah then I couldn't have fun playing with him or making fun of him. He will do that with his SP, he hasn't the balls to do it with his beloved Gatorade profile.

Hello coxie:)

Are you tired of being ignored and unappreciated like Senior? On DC people didn't take you seriously. On here you beg for attention so i'll put you on ignore and just enjoy the build-off. Your not worth a reply monkeys belong in a cage with El.

Renegade wrote:

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Congrats man. No i was just joking. Didn't begged it's not DC.

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 It's just beg. 

If I was a mod, my first move would be to institute casual Fridays.

 

I don't think Jr ever meant to go into business with Sr again. If you listen to how Jr describes the interaction regarding a new business, you can tell that he is even reluctant to design the bike. He told his dad they would design the bike at his shop and then hand it off to OCC to build and manufacture the bike.

He explains to Vinnie the negative feelings he has every time he has to go to OCC. He wants to keep developing a relationship with his father but he knows they can't work together. He has already said that. He also knows that none of his workers; especially Vinnie and Cody, won't go to work over at OCC. And to me that says a lot. Also everytime Vinnie talks about why he won't go back they show a scene where Sr is yelling at the top of his lungs at Jr and all of this is taking place right where Vinnie is standing or trying to work. Vinnie doesn't blame Jr; he's very supportive of Jr! The problem with all of the former OCC employees who now work at PJD is Sr.

And then added to all that Sr can't just let the thing develop naturally. He starts pushing... And it's all Jr's fault because Sr wants to get this new company started now and Sr is getting stressed!!! As I said, Jr doesn't really want to get involved in a business with his dad and the more pushing his dad does, pushes Jr farther away. The problem is that Jr doesn't know how to tell his dad he doesn't want to do business with him for fear of damaging the fragile relationship they have developed. And even though Sr said he knew Jr was very busy he wanted him to to be available to talk about this new business. You could just see the process going back to when Jr tried to work as a consultant and start his design business too. Sr was becoming more and more demanding. No he didn't yell and scream but he pushed and it wouldn't have been too long before he was treating Jr like an employee again.

Even when Jr had gone out of town on I believe the development of the playground Sr acknowledged that he knew what he was doing but still Sr was critical about the fact that Jr was not available to meet with him. I don't think Sr's actions toward Jr will ever change and it is best they keep their relationship at the family level... In fact everybody that knows them seems to agree that the two of them should settle for a son and dad relationship.

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Izzy Ryder wrote: How are the profits from sales going to be divided if there is no separate company? Do you mean Jr wants to be paid only for his design work and OCC takes over from there? Jr invests only his ..cough... iconic name  ...cough... but OCC invests all production costs? That seems fair. And why would buyers call OCC to buy a PJD bike? Anyone that likes PJD would never spend their money at OCC and vice-versa, so realistically, they probably wouldn't sell any bikes anyway even if they formed this mythological new company.

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 Are you suggesting everytime a design company collaborates with a production company a separate company must be formed? Sheer gibberish. Was a seperate company formed for PJD Coleman grille, PJD Camaro, OCC Lego Toys, OCC Thermos Lunch Box???of course not. If they ever got further along an arrangement for a design liscense would need to be hammered out be it one time use or per unit sold assuming they ever sold anything. Obviously you and I fall firmly on opposite sides of the Sr vs. Jr fence but both their iconic names have done very well for them. Many without such one sided leanings would have seen this if nothing else as a symbolic burying of the hatchet in a long drawn out family fued. Public opinion would have improved for both Senior and Junior. However the Oil/Water - Frog/Scorpion nature of their work dynamic will probally never allow for that. Better no Business together than no family together and I for one am glad they smelled what they were stepping in and moved on.  

-- Edited by dahammer_57 on Monday 17th of December 2012 11:30:43 PM

anotheridiot wrote:

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Jr was the one that kept saying new company. He realized he might lose Vinnie over it so he bailed. Sr didnt know what jr wanted either, which is why he got his lawyer involved to write up some corporate documents so he knew what jr wanted. Sr didnt want the company to be like Jr's designing on a lift, its not change as you go. There was no way Sr was gonna get any more involved the wrong way, look at all the money it cost him the first time. For Jr to only want to design the first one then be 50-50 in the company is just not right. If Sr thought enough about the idea, he would just contract jr to build a bike to be used for production. Pay once, give him a percentage of each bike sold and be done with it. The way it was looking was OCC was doing all the work, PJD worked once.

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 What a bunch of BS. Name 1 episode where Jr talked about a NEW company. And when did we see them talk about a 50-50 share in profits?

ghostmonkey wrote:

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anotheridiot wrote:

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Jr was the one that kept saying new company. He realized he might lose Vinnie over it so he bailed. Sr didnt know what jr wanted either, which is why he got his lawyer involved to write up some corporate documents so he knew what jr wanted. Sr didnt want the company to be like Jr's designing on a lift, its not change as you go. There was no way Sr was gonna get any more involved the wrong way, look at all the money it cost him the first time. For Jr to only want to design the first one then be 50-50 in the company is just not right. If Sr thought enough about the idea, he would just contract jr to build a bike to be used for production. Pay once, give him a percentage of each bike sold and be done with it. The way it was looking was OCC was doing all the work, PJD worked once.

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 What a bunch of BS. Name 1 episode where Jr talked about a NEW company. And when did we see them talk about a 50-50 share in profits?

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 I don't recall Junior doing much of that either, alot of what Junior was proposing was that Paulie design the bike at his shop with conctructive input from Senior.  Why would he want to go back into the bowels of the beast with all the nastiness that pushed him out an the others out the door in the efforts to control.

1Moparsick0 wrote:

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ghostmonkey wrote:

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anotheridiot wrote:

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Jr was the one that kept saying new company. He realized he might lose Vinnie over it so he bailed. Sr didnt know what jr wanted either, which is why he got his lawyer involved to write up some corporate documents so he knew what jr wanted. Sr didnt want the company to be like Jr's designing on a lift, its not change as you go. There was no way Sr was gonna get any more involved the wrong way, look at all the money it cost him the first time. For Jr to only want to design the first one then be 50-50 in the company is just not right. If Sr thought enough about the idea, he would just contract jr to build a bike to be used for production. Pay once, give him a percentage of each bike sold and be done with it. The way it was looking was OCC was doing all the work, PJD worked once.

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 What a bunch of BS. Name 1 episode where Jr talked about a NEW company. And when did we see them talk about a 50-50 share in profits?

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 I don't recall Junior doing much of that either, alot of what Junior was proposing was that Paulie design the bike at his shop with conctructive input from Senior.  Why would he want to go back into the bowels of the beast with all the nastiness that pushed him out an the others out the door in the efforts to control.

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 Right, but each time jr mentioned it he called it the new company.

anotheridiot wrote:

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 It did happen and no I do not have all the episodes recorded for a spank bank like you do. If you want to verify it then you watch the shows. I remember it happenning and I dont have the selective memory that you do.

For sure there is an episode they are standing around in a semi circle discussing the new "company" at OCC.

Sr brought lunch from the cafe when they went to PJD to discuss the bike and new company.

Jr talking to vinnie about it, cody and vinnie talking about it when cody told vinnie he was not going to OCC and went twice.

Each time jr referred to it as a company, jr referred to it when talking about creating a logo, then sr put jason on the project to design a logo when he didnt even know the companies name.

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 They're on youtube.

And what about Sr? What did he say???

anotheridiot wrote:

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ghostmonkey wrote:

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anotheridiot wrote:

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last 4 episodes way back to when jr was at occ with his entire crew less vinnie talking about the new company. He has been saying new company for the past two months of shows. Where have you been?

When did we see them talk about a 50-50 share in profits? NEVER, THAT WAS WHY SR TRIED TO GET HIS LAWYER TO GET SOME STRUCTURE IN WRITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50-50 is assumed in a partnership, what, do you think jr deserved more for being the designer?

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 It never happen. Simple then post a clip then when Jr says he wants a new company. No it isn't especially when 1 of them will be doing the marority of the work and I'm talking about OCC. All this is just made up in your head.

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 It did happen and no I do not have all the episodes recorded for a spank bank like you do. If you want to verify it then you watch the shows. I remember it happenning and I dont have the selective memory that you do.

For sure there is an episode they are standing around in a semi circle discussing the new "company" at OCC.

Sr brought lunch from the cafe when they went to PJD to discuss the bike and new company.

Jr talking to vinnie about it, cody and vinnie talking about it when cody told vinnie he was not going to OCC and went twice.

Each time jr referred to it as a company, jr referred to it when talking about creating a logo, then sr put jason on the project to design a logo when he didnt even know the companies name.

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The FIRST person to propose the "business partnership" between him and his father was Steve Moreau. Jr quickly grabbed the ball and ran with the idea. Sr was a little hesitant knowing that starting a new business is more complicated than that.  It was here in episode #8 -"Full Circle" at around the 12:00 mark. It's in 3 parts and part #3 is missing. ( the part with the announcement between all the guys at OCC and PJD) Does anyone know where we can watch the entire episode?

Izzy Ryder wrote:

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The FIRST person to propose the "business partnership" between him and his father was Steve Moreau. Jr quickly grabbed the ball and ran with the idea. Sr was a little hesitant knowing that starting a new business is more complicated than that.  It was here in episode #8 -"Full Circle" at around the 12:00 mark. It's in 3 parts and part #3 is missing. ( the part with the announcement between all the guys at OCC and PJD) Does anyone know where we can watch the entire episode?

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 I posted a link to the full episode above.

 

In that episode Jr talks about the 2 companies callobrating but nothing about a new company.

ghostmonkey wrote:

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 I posted a link to the full episode above.

 

In that episode Jr talks about the 2 companies callobrating but nothing about a new company.

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Collaborating on what? Another museum piece? You can't sell a production bike without forming some sort of company and in that show Jr showed a desire to build a production bike with his father. Neither of these guys are beginners in this game. Hasn't 10 years of contract negotiations and dealings with lawyers taught them anything about building production bikes?