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SilentBob · Veteran Member

RE: Whole show on T-shirts?????

ElGuapo · Guru

I have always thought that Senior wanted some recognition of the life that he gave his children. Senior has spoken of the hard life that he had growing up. So Senior worked hard, and built a multi-million dollar business from a welder and a truck.

I have never heard of any of the Teutul children going without food, clothes, shelter. The house they grew up in seemed better than most. And they all had a place to work, learn, and make money for themselves.

I think what happened is that Junior, and others, just took that life for granted. Like that life somehow was just there and given to them. They did not connect their lifestyle to the work that Senior had done.

So Senior looked at his life as child, and then looked at the life that he gave his kids, and saw quite a difference. And so Senior wanted recognition for that. But it never came, or if it did, not to what Senior expected.

So that became an issue for Senior and Junior.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 11:38:00 PM

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

anotheridiot wrote:

anotheridiot wrote:
Jr would be nothing without his father and it hurts him to admit it.
SilentBob wrote:
So you are saying Sr. would be right where he is today if they had started with Sr. and Mikey?
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It looks like if you cut and paste quotes it might be easier to follow.
No Sr would not be right where he is today without Jr, but as far as him being bankrupt, I highly doubt that. He would have never dreamed so big for his son to build the mega 90,000 square foot facility and would be in a shop about 20,000 square feet or about twice the size of PJD if he had all the machines and would basically work in the bike area we see on the show.
Dont forget he was fighting with the other son at Iron works and still funnelled them the job.
All I am saying is he gets pissed off because he set his sons on the path they have become very wealthy at and none of them have any appreciation for it.

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:15 AM

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:52 AM

Both Son an Father need a few lesssons in humility, but that is beside the point, many things can be attributted to their fame, the Logo, the bikes, the tainted business accumen of Senior, the creativity by Pauliie, the relationship between Mikey and Vinnie, the relationship of brothers, Cody, Rick, an the opportunitty that Dsc gave them to create a show had a somewhat wonderful decade long run...

SilentBob · Veteran Member

anotheridiot wrote:
No Sr would not be right where he is today without Jr, but as far as him being bankrupt, I highly doubt that. He would have never dreamed so big for his son to build the mega 90,000 square foot facility and would be in a shop about 20,000 square feet or about twice the size of PJD if he had all the machines and would basically work in the bike area we see on the show.
Dont forget he was fighting with the other son at Iron works and still funnelled them the job.
All I am saying is he gets pissed off because he set his sons on the path they have become very wealthy at and none of them have any appreciation for it.

Fair enough. I agree Sr. would not be bankrupt and is hard working and a businessman. So without the choppers I doubt he'd miss a meal.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:________________________________________________________________________
It looks like if you cut and paste quotes it might be easier to follow.
No Sr would not be right where he is today without Jr, but as far as him being bankrupt, I highly doubt that. He would have never dreamed so big for his son to build the mega 90,000 square foot facility and would be in a shop about 20,000 square feet or about twice the size of PJD if he had all the machines and would basically work in the bike area we see on the show.
Dont forget he was fighting with the other son at Iron works and still funnelled them the job.
All I am saying is he gets pissed off because he set his sons on the path they have become very wealthy at and none of them have any appreciation for it.

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:15 AM

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:52 AM

No he wouldn't be bankrupt but he also wouldn't have a custom bike shop. He dreamed for himself not his son. And what do you base your assessment of the appreciation? We only see such a small part of what goes on so you knows what they have said over the years. Jr might of thanked Sr many times and he might not of, but how does any of us know? Has Sr shown his appreciation to Jr for what he did? Again who really knows?

anotheridiot · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
I have always thought that Senior wanted some recognition of the life that he gave his children. Senior has spoken of the hard life that he had growing up. So Senior worked hard, and built a multi-million dollar business from a welder and a truck.

I have never heard of any of the Teutul children going without food, clothes, shelter. The house they grew up in seemed better than most. And they all had a place to work, learn, and make money for themselves.

I think what happened is that Junior, and others, just took that life for granted. Like that life somehow was just there and given to them. They did not connect their lifestyle to the work that Senior had done.

So Senior looked at his life as child, and then looked at the life that he gave his kids, and saw quite a difference. And so Senior wanted recognition for that. But it never came, or if it did, not to what Senior expected.

So that became an issue for Senior and Junior.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 11:38:00 PM

I bicker for days and you put it all in one post. I agree completely. Remember what SR and Jesse really have in common, no father in the picture. Sr was always there supporting them, but when a man works 14 hours a day building a future for his kids, he gets blamed for not being there as well.

ElGuapo · Guru

Sad thing is that entitlement does not only rest with Junior. I see it in far too many kids now days.

Maribegood · Senior Member

This is what makes this show compelling despite some of the fake manufactured drama, both this one and DC. The relationships between fathers and sons, and the relationships between brothers to a lesser extent. No matter how much I want to face palm Senior at times, I do recognize him as an archetype from my long ago youth. The fathers who start off with nothing and make the mental vow for their kids to have more, but wind up with strained relationships because they become overbearing and unavailable. And yeah, because we get so busy dissecting our parents faults we don't even bother to cut a little slack to the mental baggage they themselves are carrying around.

Senior needs to acknowledge his kids' talents and the fact that they are under no obligation to be his clone. Junior, like the rest of us, needs to remember that his father came into parenthood carrying his own damage.

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
anotheridiot wrote:________________________________________________________________________
It looks like if you cut and paste quotes it might be easier to follow.
No Sr would not be right where he is today without Jr, but as far as him being bankrupt, I highly doubt that. He would have never dreamed so big for his son to build the mega 90,000 square foot facility and would be in a shop about 20,000 square feet or about twice the size of PJD if he had all the machines and would basically work in the bike area we see on the show.
Dont forget he was fighting with the other son at Iron works and still funnelled them the job.
All I am saying is he gets pissed off because he set his sons on the path they have become very wealthy at and none of them have any appreciation for it.

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:15 AM

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 04:46:52 AM
No he wouldn't be bankrupt but he also wouldn't have a custom bike shop. He dreamed for himself not his son. And what do you base your assessment of the appreciation? We only see such a small part of what goes on so you knows what they have said over the years. Jr might of thanked Sr many times and he might not of, but how does any of us know? Has Sr shown his appreciation to Jr for what he did? Again who really knows?

When its so easy for him to throw out I love you to his father, it would be that much easier to say thank you.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
I have always thought that Senior wanted some recognition of the life that he gave his children. Senior has spoken of the hard life that he had growing up. So Senior worked hard, and built a multi-million dollar business from a welder and a truck.

I have never heard of any of the Teutul children going without food, clothes, shelter. The house they grew up in seemed better than most. And they all had a place to work, learn, and make money for themselves.

I think what happened is that Junior, and others, just took that life for granted. Like that life somehow was just there and given to them. They did not connect their lifestyle to the work that Senior had done.

So Senior looked at his life as child, and then looked at the life that he gave his kids, and saw quite a difference. And so Senior wanted recognition for that. But it never came, or if it did, not to what Senior expected.

So that became an issue for Senior and Junior.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Tuesday 27th of November 2012 11:38:00 PM

Sorry but you don't become a father to get pats on the back. Stop with the BS about Sr having a multi-million dollar business before AC. There id no evidence of that at all and no I don't believe your made up quote. If he had a multi-million dollar business he wouldn't of needed to sell his sons first bike. Heck way back then how much would they have got from the sale, 10,000 or so? So if Sr had multi-million dollar business he wouldn't have sold Jr's bike. Yes his business was doing well but not at the level you keep saying.

Sr says in my earlier years I was involed with drugs and I didn't really get to see my children develop from kids to grown ups so nows its exciting to see some of what I missed.

Paulie: Tale of the Teutuls, chapter 6.

“My mother was an abused wife. Maybe not physically abused, but at least physical bruises go away. It’s the mental and emotional abuse that stays with you much longer. I’d rather take a physical beating and get it over in 10 minutes than to have to deal with the mental scars.”

“Still, the rest of our relationship was bad. There was verbal abuse. The high demands. Things that, when you’re a kid, you’re not ready to cope with – nor do you know how to cope with. But they affect you nonetheless. The shouting. The impossibly high standards. The rigid and constant work ethic. That kind of abuse was probably more damaging in the long term.”

"To this day, I think his living through me is a big part of our problem working together."

So don't try to paint Sr as Mr Cleaver when we have info like above. Jr has worked since he was 12, how many kids who are have entitlement worked from such a young age?

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
So don't try to paint Sr as Mr Cleaver when we have info like above. Jr has worked since he was 12, how many kids who are have entitlement worked from such a young age?

Take your kid to work day? Take the kid to a jobsite and let a 12 year old watch the big machines move ornamental iron?

That sounds like an awesome day for the kid, but the ones that dont appreciate what they have turn around like he was in a foundry sweat shop at age 12 like the 6 year olds that print their walmart t shirts in taiwan.

Sounds like my kids coming here when we were building office and they were driving in drywall screws and pulling wire for outlets. It was time spent together because if they werent here, we wouldnt have spent time together.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
So don't try to paint Sr as Mr Cleaver when we have info like above. Jr has worked since he was 12, how many kids who are have entitlement worked from such a young age?

Take your kid to work day? Take the kid to a jobsite and let a 12 year old watch the big machines move ornamental iron?
That sounds like an awesome day for the kid, but the ones that dont appreciate what they have turn around like he was in a foundry sweat shop at age 12 like the 6 year olds that print their walmart t shirts in taiwan.
Sounds like my kids coming here when we were building office and they were driving in drywall screws and pulling wire for outlets. It was time spent together because if they werent here, we wouldnt have spent time together.

Then why was he promoted to a supervisor at the age of 16 if he did nothing? We all know Sr wouldn't make someone a supervisor if they haven't worked for it.

anotheridiot · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
So don't try to paint Sr as Mr Cleaver when we have info like above. Jr has worked since he was 12, how many kids who are have entitlement worked from such a young age?

Take your kid to work day? Take the kid to a jobsite and let a 12 year old watch the big machines move ornamental iron?
That sounds like an awesome day for the kid, but the ones that dont appreciate what they have turn around like he was in a foundry sweat shop at age 12 like the 6 year olds that print their walmart t shirts in taiwan.
Sounds like my kids coming here when we were building office and they were driving in drywall screws and pulling wire for outlets. It was time spent together because if they werent here, we wouldnt have spent time together.
ghostmonkey wrote:
Then why was he promoted to a supervisor at the age of 16 if he did nothing? We all know Sr wouldn't make someone a supervisor if they haven't worked for it.

Possibly to give him responsibility and try to get his kid off of drugs before he went to rehab? Tough love? I dont know, my son was the vice president of my corporation at age 16 because nobody else worked here.

He made his son a world wide celebrity and multi millionaire and he didnt work for that either.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
Then why was he promoted to a supervisor at the age of 16 if he did nothing? We all know Sr wouldn't make someone a supervisor if they haven't worked for it.
Possibly to give him responsibility and try to get his kid off of drugs before he went to rehab? Tough love? I dont know, my son was the vice president of my corporation at age 16 because nobody else worked here.
He made his son a world wide celebrity and multi millionaire and he didnt work for that either.

Discovery made them both world wide celebrity's and muilti millionaires. If Jr didn't submit OCC to Discovery there would of been no Tuetels on AC it would of been about some other joint. The ball started rolling with that submission by Jr.

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

anotheridiot wrote:
He made his son a world wide celebrity and multi millionaire and he didnt work for that either.

A butterfly flapped it's wings in Brazil creating Hurricane Sandy. Makes about as much sense. confuse But hey if you're into chaos theory more power to ya. I prefer Big Bang!

ElGuapo · Guru

Season 1 episode 2 or 15. Seems to be listed different. Well some have it listed as a pilot. Well who knows.

Quotes from the show are what we have to work with. One would not want to state anything said on the show is false. It at least gives you a source and some basis for comments.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Thursday 29th of November 2012 04:48:24 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

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Both Senior and Junior are guilty of that (talking, thinking of me, me me). I am sure Junior's alcoholism or drug problems were hard on Senior also. It goes both ways.

And Senior was not absent. Junior himself talks about how at every game he ever had, he could look into the bleachers and see Senior. That is involvement. Now did Senior have to work hard, to give the family the lifestyle they had???? Sure did. But therein is the problem. A father works hard, all he can, over time, late nites, to give a family food, clothes, shelter. He wishes to meet their financial needs. But the trade off is that he is gone a lot from the home.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Thursday 29th of November 2012 05:11:53 PM

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Thursday 29th of November 2012 05:15:17 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

Coxie:"Stop with the BS about Sr having a multi-million dollar business before AC. There id no evidence of that at all and no I don't believe your made up quote."

Now who is making things up, Coxie??????? Check it. It is strange that you claim to have all these American Chopper videos, but you get busted all the time on quotes.

"Paul built Orange County Iron Works into a multi-million dollar business" Mike Rowe: Biketoberfest.

ElGuapo · Guru

Coxie:"Then why was he promoted to a supervisor at the age of 16 if he did nothing? We all know Sr wouldn't make someone a supervisor if they haven't worked for it."

REally???? We have scene after scene of Senior trying, depserately trying, to get Junior to come into work on time. Trying to get Junior to stay focused on a job. Trying to get Junior to not leave early.

So what you have is a father trying his best to get his son to learn responsibility. Any way he can. Until he has no choice but to fire him, due t his lack of any resemblance to accepted work habits.

rumple · Veteran Member

Some "proof." The only father in the history of television to treat his son(s) with utter contempt, even going to the extremes of burning them in effigy and filing ridiculous lawsuits (after firing one, let's not forget that unique circumstance) said a decade or so ago that one was late for work. How many times do you think Senior left early for a dentist appointment... 300 miles away? You know he had to, so why don't you talk about that?

Now the son has his own successful company, and nobody has said anything about what time he shows up for work in years... but that doesn't matter to the terminally jealous. Gather the angry villagers and the pitchforks, they're marching on the castle at midnight.

You do know you're redefining the word "pathetic," don't you?

ElGuapo · Guru

Because Junior realized what Senior had told him all those years. Heck, we even see it in action when he is frustrated over Odie not coming in on time. Talk about hilarious. Junior being mad that someone came to work late.

When Junior got his own business and realized what was on the line, then he saw that Senior was right. You DO want employees to come to work on time, and you DO want them to stay on task. Which seems like something anybody could grasp, but it took PJD for Junior to realize it.

What a meltdown

rumple · Veteran Member

Thank God somebody speaks for Junior. "Junior realized what Senior had told him all those years." If you could climb in Junior's skull and know exactly what he's thinking, why didn't you speak up before now? Here you've been quoting every tidbit of malicious crap that Senior has directed toward his own son like it was gospel, when all the time you knew exactly what Junior was thinking!

ElGuapo · Guru

You are welcome. Just another ability of the:

Infamous El Guapo

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

Come on Gaupo we all know Jr.'s prima donna attitude began well after AC turned them both into celebrities and millionaires. Just like the winning ticket holders of the recent powerball I would show up and leave when I damned well pleased too. And the Walrus should have shut his pie hole and continued to count his gold coins instead of having a tantrum after tantrum.

ElGuapo · Guru

I actually think Junior's attitude developed prior to the show. Now the show certainly made it worse. But we can see even on the first episode that Senior is not happy with Junior's behaviors. I think Junior's sense of entitlement goes way back.

I can see in a way what you are saying about Senior just leaving Junior alone. But by doing that, it sets a bad example for the other workers. Lots of time, the other workers would just be standing around waiting for Junior. That is bad business. And it could really affect morale of the rest of the crew. If Junior gets to come and go as pleased, but the other workers have to be on time daily, have to take a set lunch time, have to clock out at a set time, then that could build a feeling of resentment. Which is what I think happened with Nick and Christian.

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

By the time Sr. began showing signs of irrational rage the bike shop was not the big factor. They were both celebtities and millionaires by that point.It was about the OCC brand name and licensing doodads at Walmart and Shopco. If Sr. wanted to play his mini-me version of Trump that's fine - go ahead and build your biker empire. It was obvious at this point Jr. had little interest in being under Sr.'s thumb as some shop employee - his vision was theme bikes. As part owner and independently wealthy at that point he had little motivation to continue being a patsy under Sr.'s abusive control. I think Sr. realized this soon after Jr.'s departure when he pleaded with him to come back. He knew the OCC brand would suffer irrepairable harm and the show which brought everything could not continue.

ElGuapo · Guru

Hadammer:"As part owner and independently wealthy at that point he had little motivation to continue being a patsy under Sr.'s abusive control."

Abusive control??????? Wanting an employee to come to work on time, to take lunch on time and to leave at the appropriate time, is not abusive control. If that is the case, then every boss is guilty of that.

Hadammer:"He (Senior) knew the OCC brand would suffer irrepairable harm and the show which brought everything could not continue."

American Chopper lasted another 4 seasons I think ( not sure). But it certainly was not like as soon as Junior left the building everything collapsed. 4 seasons is quite successful for any show. But this thought has come up before. Junior stated that OCC would burn down without his being there. Talk about arrogant. But people also thought it might happen. It was predicted for the year it happened, well that did not come true. It was predicted for the next year, well that did not work out. It was predicted for the next year, again not coming true, and on and on and on.

And I have never seen the Conquistadore plead.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Coxie:"Stop with the BS about Sr having a multi-million dollar business before AC. There id no evidence of that at all and no I don't believe your made up quote."

Now who is making things up, Coxie??????? Check it. It is strange that you claim to have all these American Chopper videos, but you get busted all the time on quotes.

"Paul built Orange County Iron Works into a multi-million dollar business" Mike Rowe: Biketoberfest.

You were the one busted making up quotes El, not me buddy and like I said before how would he know, Sr telling him?

If he had a multi-million dollar business he wouldn't of needed to sell his sons first bike. Heck way back then how much would they have got from the sale, 10,000 ir that? So if Sr had multi-million dollar business he wouldn't have sold Jr's bike. Or maybe it's just cause Sr is all about me, me, me so instead of pulling a couple of buks out of his multi millions or selling 1 of his bikes he sells his sons 1st bike. Kinda sad really.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Coxie:"Then why was he promoted to a supervisor at the age of 16 if he did nothing? We all know Sr wouldn't make someone a supervisor if they haven't worked for it."

REally???? We have scene after scene of Senior trying, depserately trying, to get Junior to come into work on time. Trying to get Junior to stay focused on a job. Trying to get Junior to not leave early.

So what you have is a father trying his best to get his son to learn responsibility. Any way he can. Until he has no choice but to fire him, due t his lack of any resemblance to accepted work habits.

Like his brother Paulie though, Danny started working at his dad's steel shop, Orange County Ironworks, at a young age, 13, and was never the typical, lazy "bosses son," skating by on his family connections. Both Danny and Pauli worked hard in the ironworks, at first sweeping, painting, welding, working overtime and weekends, then moving up to supervise. Though Pauli is quick to recall that his dad only had "working supervisors," who were expected to work hard alongside those they managed.

And Senior increasingly called Paulie, who was head of OC Ironworks biggest department, in to help with the design and fabrication of the bikes.

While he feels he learned a lot about being a manager and a leader from his dad, Danny is proud that his management style is different. He is willing to take risks, but there is more planning and fewer snap decisions. He is in charge, but not pushy or arrogant. There is more communication, lots less yelling.

Says it all above.

ElGuapo · Guru

See you know that quote is right, as always.

Happy Dance!!!!!

Now, do I think Mike Rowe intentionally misquoted. No I don't. Why would he do that??????

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Because Junior realized what Senior had told him all those years. Heck, we even see it in action when he is frustrated over Odie not coming in on time. Talk about hilarious. Junior being mad that someone came to work late.

When Junior got his own business and realized what was on the line, then he saw that Senior was right. You DO want employees to come to work on time, and you DO want them to stay on task. Which seems like something anybody could grasp, but it took PJD for Junior to realize it.

What a meltdown

Yep so why didn't Sr have the balls to fire Jr way back then?

ElGuapo · Guru

Why do you find it strange that a father would call his son to help on a project??????? What is so strange about that?????

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
See you know that quote is right, as always.

Happy Dance!!!!!

Now, do I think Mike Rowe intentionally misquoted. No I don't. Why would he do that??????

Did he see any evidence or did he just believe a known liar? So what season was that episode?

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Why do you find it strange that a father would call his son to help on a project??????? What is so strange about that?????

You missed some bits.

Though Pauli is quick to recall that his dad only had "working supervisors," who were expected to work hard alongside those they managed.

Danny is proud that his management style is different. He is willing to take risks, but there is more planning and fewer snap decisions. He is in charge, but not pushy or arrogant. There is more communication, lots less yelling.

And Senior increasingly called Paulie, who was head of OC Ironworks biggest department, in to help with the design and fabrication of the bikes.

Simple fact is you don't make someone head of the biggest department of your business if they have a slack work ethic.

ElGuapo · Guru

I don't see how that is related. If I need a part fabbed and I know someone who can fab a part, then I call that person. And a family member is high on that list. I think it quite natural for someone to call a father, brother to help. I don't see how you think this is weird. Certainly you do the same in your own life. If you need help, call family, if they cannot help, then you call friends.

But somehow it seems you would rather Senior to have called a complete stranger to help on a project, even though a close family member was there to assist.

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
I don't see how that is related. If I need a part fabbed and I know someone who can fab a part, then I call that person. And a family member is high on that list. I think it quite natural for someone to call a father, brother to help. I don't see how you think this is weird. Certainly you do the same in your own life. If you need help, call family, if they cannot help, then you call friends.

But somehow it seems you would rather Senior to have called a complete stranger to help on a project, even though a close family member was there to assist.

Where did I say that chubby? And you wonder why people don't believe anything from your mouth cause it's all just

ElGuapo · Guru

Name calling will not help you, darling.

Senior making Junior a supervisor is natural behavior for a father. What Dad does not want his son to do well? And what Dad does not help along the way? Senior gave Junior a place to work. Gave him a trade. Tried to promote his to positions of authority so that he would learn responsibility.

What is strange about that???

ghostmonkey · Guru

The alcoholism made life hard for Paula. While Paul was out drinking and carousing, Paula raised the boys by herself. She nearly gave up but the need to be there for her sons gave her the motivation, and her faith gave her the will, to survive. The focus of Paula's life is still her kids. Even in the chapter, "Paula's Story", in Orange County Choppers: The Tale of the Teutuls, she spends more time discussing her kids than herself.

And Sr mostly talks about himself. The difference between a good parent and someone who is all about me, me, me.

ghostmonkey · Guru

So Paula Teutul is lying? Don't you find it sad she had to rely on her faith just to survive? By the time Sr started going to ballgames was after he stopped drinking but Jr was 11-12 by that stage so there is a lot he missed out on.

The yelling on the show bothers Paula some. "There are many aspects of the show that I enjoy, but what bothers me most is that American Chopper seems to exploit the fact that Paul loses his temper." It concerns her that the very behavior that caused so much damage in her family drives the show's ratings, and therefore her family's success. Paula Teutul

Just imagine what that yelling was like for a kid? 11-12 Years of that type of abuse is very hard to deal with.

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

Lepuago: Abusive control??????? Wanting an employee to come to work on time, to take lunch on time and to leave at the appropriate time, is not abusive control. If that is the case, then every boss is guilty of that.

He was no more an employee to be told what to do at this point. He was a co-owner of OCC. Those days were well behind them. He had the means to walk away and did. Sr. was unwilling to see them for what they had become - costars in the docu-drama called AC. From what I saw in those seasons episodes they were both guilty of arrogance and self inflated egos. If memory serves me right there is much more footage of Jr. actually building theme bikes than Sr. during this period.

Lepaugo: American Chopper lasted another 4 seasons I think ( not sure). But it certainly was not like as soon as Junior left the building everything collapsed. 4 seasons is quite successful for any show. But this thought has come up before. Junior stated that OCC would burn down without his being there. Talk about arrogant. But people also thought it might happen. It was predicted for the year it happened, well that did not come true. It was predicted for the next year, well that did not work out. It was predicted for the next year, again not coming true, and on and on and on.

Ah but the show continued...the driving force behind both of their successes. Without Sr. vs. Jr. or some show exposure they would both be forgotten.

Lepaugo:And I have never seen the Conquistadore plead.

Oh yes we have seen him plead...like a baby for his nookie.

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

Less of the name calling in here, please. You can disagree with each other without resorting to childish taunts.

ElGuapo · Guru

Where is that from Coxie?????

I cite my quotes.

Are you trying to say that Junior abuses Mikey to achieve higher ratings for American Chopper????

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:04:32 PM

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
Where is that from Coxie?????

I cite my quotes.

Are you trying to say that Junior abuses Mikey to achieve higher ratings for American Chopper????

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:04:32 PM

No Sr did. No El you make up quotes and quote out of contexts.

The yelling on the show bothers Paula some. "There are many aspects of the show that I enjoy, but what bothers me most is that American Chopper seems to exploit the fact that Paul loses his temper." It concerns her that the very behavior that caused so much damage in her family drives the show's ratings, and therefore her family's success. Paula Teutul The Unknown Teutuls

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:16:32 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

I do think the show "exploited" the behavior of Senior. To the 9th degree (or whatever that saying is). And certainly that became the focus of the editing process. But the drama was always what the show was about.

"If you ask me, OCC is not about the bikes we build, but about the people who build them" Senior: Mikey build II

Now certainly Senior gave fuel to the fire. Senior said many bad things. But many would never have seen the light of day if not for editing, which showed those moments, over and over and over and over.

How many of us state things in frustration. And usually those things are heard by one other person and that is the end of it. That person usually does not record it, then run as fast as possible to the offendee and make them watch it over and over and over.

(Coxie you know they are right. I am beginning to think you are jealous)

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:21:58 PM

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
So Paula Teutul is lying? Don't you find it sad she had to rely on her faith just to survive? By the time Sr started going to ballgames was after he stopped drinking but Jr was 11-12 by that stage so there is a lot he missed out on.

The yelling on the show bothers Paula some. "There are many aspects of the show that I enjoy, but what bothers me most is that American Chopper seems to exploit the fact that Paul loses his temper." It concerns her that the very behavior that caused so much damage in her family drives the show's ratings, and therefore her family's success. Paula Teutul

Just imagine what that yelling was like for a kid? 11-12 Years of that type of abuse is very hard to deal with.

But didnt you say jr was working since he was 12? He was not involved the first 11 years, but was involved for the next 26?

ElGuapo · Guru

Certainly Senior said some bad things. But who doesn't when frustrated??? The problem is that most of the times, the person never hears anything you say. Like if I was to say something derogatory about you to the plethora of woman around me, well you would never know of it. But if someone filmed it and showed it to you over and over and over. Well you probably would not like that. You might even get mad or something.

(Wait, you post some quote from somewhere, and think that is cool, but if anyone else posts a quote straight from the show, it is no good????? this coming from someone who stated they have the shows on DVD, NefFlix or something. Coxie that does not come across well. You actually know those are right, otherwise you would have posted something about it)

(wait I think I remember the saying. It is sour grapes, right???? Isn't that a saying????)

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:41:55 PM

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:44:15 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

Bad Coxie!!!!!!!!!

You cannot cry wolf over and over and over and over, and then state that you do not wish to back up your claims. If you are just saying things, just to say things, then that is not right.

Otherwise, every time you post someone could say the same thing. And never back it up. It does not make it right

And it just is not nice.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:54:39 PM

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 04:55:34 PM

ElGuapo · Guru

And you know exactly where mine come from. You even have the episodes yourself. So you are being bad.

You are the one that brought all that up, not me. I am just trying to show etiquette. Coxie listen to what you are saying. You come and say everything is a lie, but you dont' wish to prove it is in any way. You just want to say it. Now now is that right?????

Now, back. The editting has always been towards good v bad. And they developed personae's to that extent. And it worked. Worked well actually.

-- Edited by ElGuapo on Friday 30th of November 2012 05:05:35 PM

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
And you know exactly where mine come from. You even have the episodes yourself. So you are being bad.

You are the one that brought all that up, not me. I am just trying to show etiquette.

After watching many other shows to prove you are wrong I am no longer doing it. The burden of proof falls on you. I can prove my quotes with links can you? NOPE

Oh El cant you prove your quotes.

HAPPY DANCE!!!!!

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 05:17:29 PM

ghostmonkey · Guru

ElGuapo wrote:
www.netflix.com

You should know as you have them.

Netfix isn't available in Oz. I told you I've busted you enough. The burden of proof falls on you. I can prove my quotes with links and you need to do the same.

-- Edited by ghostmonkey on Friday 30th of November 2012 08:11:54 PM