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  More I see what you type, the more I inquire if the Great El Guapo must be a real pushover, an has some serious pucker power..

Last year jr was the last to agree to the build off. He took months to give an answer, all the time I figured he was having his suppliers design wheels and frames for his glorious up from the ashes moment with that stupid bicycle looking thing he built. Sr and Jesse are simple decisive human beings and need no time to decide to do it or not.

Pilgrim is a genius by combining all these shows fans together. Hopefully they go back to the old build off style of different teams that includes riding these things for more than 20 miles.

ElGuapo wrote: you made Junior lose the show El:P

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Mo-Kcar:"More I see what you type, the more I inquire if the Great El Guapo must be a real pushover, an has some serious pucker power.."

 

Do not anger the Infamous El Guapo!!!!!!  I have a special move just for you!!!!!

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*Dips toe in water*  Smoking is a VERY big deal in the US.  It now has an image that only the "low class" or "bad" people do it.  When Obama ran for office the first time, he was extremely careful not to give anyone the opportunity to photograph/videograph him smoking (I'm not sure if he finally quite).  There are a lot of Hollywood stars and politicians who smoke on the down low, as if it were the same thing as doing lines of cocaine.  Like EG said, the captains and crew of the Deadliest Catch are shown smoking.  Continuously.  If Jr and his crew aren't, it's because someone is worried about image.  I just can't believe they are all none smokers.

 

It's a generational thing as well.  When I was growing up everybody and his uncle, doctor, and barber smoked.  It crossed race, class, and education.  Now young people are appalled to see someone light up.  Some people are utterly horrified that I watch DC because........they have the gall to show that those men smoke.  In the US most movie producers won't shoot scenes of characters smoking because people's panties get in a wad.  Jr knows what he is doing and why. 

Thanks Anita Louise!

AnitaLaLouise wrote:

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ghostmonkey wrote:

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Why do we not see ANY of the OCC or PJD smoke? How do you know Sr doesn't smoke? And what so called benefit's?

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We did, once. Mike A. and Cody were shown smoking when the other guys went up to the roof of OCC and threw water balloons at them.

 

Non-smoking people are crazy here, Coxie. There are complaints and news stories when people are shown smoking in movies, FFS.

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 It's the same down here Anita, I think it was a Sr and Pilgram decision to not show anyone smoking on AC.

And he wears tinfoil on his head to keep the aliens from reading his thoughts when the cameras are not filming. After all he would not want to do anything the public might not like.

You think Piligian refuses to show smoking on AC??? Even though he does on Deadliest Catch??? Why would he make such a differentiation??? Unless someone on American Chopper came to him and asked him to not show smoking. And who smoked at OCC at that time??? Junior, then Vinnie later.

Well no wonder Piligian does not care about smoking on Deadliest Catch.

Smoking is rarley shown in American TV production outside of fictional context these days, I would even say it's been ingrained into American culture to keep it out of veiw. I remember back in the day watching Johnny Carson puffing away on the Tonight Show.By the mid-80s, smoking openly on television was pretty much a thing of the past. I don't read anything covert or a hidden agenda by Pilgrim into it. After all we know Paul Jr. is an outspoken Born Again Christian and speaks at churhes with Rachel but we see none of that shown either.

I know they cannot put billboards advertising cigarettes within a certain distance from schools. There is probably some FCC deal about showing smoking on TV that kids watch.

I dont care if jr smokes or not, its the one smart move he made not promoting cigarettes to kids.

anotheridiot wrote:

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I know they cannot put billboards advertising cigarettes within a certain distance from schools. There is probably some FCC deal about showing smoking on TV that kids watch.

I dont care if jr smokes or not, its the one smart move he made not promoting cigarettes to kids.

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 Sorry guys, I have to go with El on this one.  First of all, AC is would not be considered children's programming.  Second, Discovery has no problems with the FCC showing the fishermen on DC smoking like chimmneys.  If they don't show smoking on the AC programming, it's because a purposeful decision has been made not to show it.  Since Jr is a smoker and Sr is not, I imagine it has more to do with Jr.  Especially if Jr is a BORN AGAIN Christian who occasionally dips his toe in the Christian lifestyle lecture circuit.  Both smoking and drinking are big No-Nos in BAC circles.  You certainly aren't going to be invited to speak if you are seen doing either in public. 

Sad when Puff, Puff, Puff, PASS is FCC PC, than someone puffing on a "Real Tabacco Product"  Hey Doc, Iread read stories that the "happy leaf" does more term damage to the lungs than the "real" tabacco leaf..???

 

I don't know such you could lay all that stuff out all over a table, but put a ACYE buffet next to it.... I'd tear up the buffet... an down about a gallon of Diet iced tea.... That's what I'd do when I'm feeling self-destructive...

*sticking toe in the water here, sticking toe in the water*  This can of worms had to get opened up.  Sigh.  Look, I was raised in an immigrant community.  Said immigrant community was for the most part extremely law abiding, with the BIG exception of the underage drinking.  My people, to put it bluntly, thought American society was positively cracked when it came to socializing their young to alcohol.  No joke, we were allow one glass of wine OR one beer with dinner from the age of 13 on, if we wanted it.  Most of the time we passed, but it was always available.  We were socialized to think of drinking as something we always did with food, whether it was a meal or some plated snacks.  Getting a little drunk having a good time with your friends was acceptable, getting drunk to see who could get the most s***-faced fastest was NOT. You drank to get a buzz, not a hangover.   The results were that we were pretty much innoculated from binge drinking by our late teens.  This thing we do in the US, no alcohol till 21 and then always presenting it as either Pandora's box or the equvalent of the apple in the Garden of Eden.......this is not working.  We need to reevaluate how we present alcohol as a society and how we socialize our children to its use.

 

As for smoking, as I have mentioned before, when I was growing up everyone did it.  It did not indicate anything good or bad about your character as it does now.  I would just as soon have smoking be as drinking, a way to relax and let off steam.  Now, I am not stupid, and I do realize the smoking we see on Deadliest Catch is straight up chain smoking, and it's not going to lead to anywhere good, and already has lead to one tragedy.  It says a lot about that particular fishing lifestyle, where you are away from any civilizing influences for months (your wife, your kids, brothers, sisters, friends, good meals, warm home, hobbies, etc) that almost all those men are drugging themselves in one way or another, whether it is admitted on camera or not. 

 

I have to second PAMD, its much better to allow people a smoke a day or a drink to wind down after work than to eventually bring them in contact with a prescription pad.  It is also far better for kids to know that if their life is going south, they can go to their parents without fear of a Bible lecture or a "Your a loser" lecture if you roll secular.  Somewhere along the line we turned the very human need for relaxation and pleasure into a morality play, and that is bad. 

 

Apologies to all for the lecture.  I'll get out of the pool now.

-- Edited by Maribegood on Wednesday 5th of December 2012 04:38:24 PM

Deadliest Catch's shows start with the previous week's episode on 8 PM EST and the new episode at 9 PM EST, so by that logic they have a double chance of picking up kids viewing.  Neither OCC or DC are morality tales, and if kids get attracted to either, especially boys, it's because they are viewing big, strong men doing what they view as something COOL.  Building a cool bike, challenging a nasty ocean.  Hell, adult men are attracted to that, not to mention some adult women.  I seriously doubt anyone thinks through the impact on impressionable children of watching families falling apart, men fighting, or how limited Johnny's options will get as an adult if he doesn't stay in school (Deadliest Catch specific). 

Nah, I think Jr's protecting the brand.  The evangelical lecture circuit is a nice way to make some extra cash.  Before I get tomatoes thrown, I'll just state for the record that for the most part, I am a Team Junior person.

I'll have 99.9% of the medical community ready to pounce at this one:

 

I feel that it's much healthier for people to smoke occasionally, and in moderation, than to resort to anxiolytic's (Valium, Xanax, Ativan, Tranxene, etc...) or SSRI's for relief of today's "societally generated ills". A glass of wine, or a few mugs of (good) beer can be good for the soul, too.

We've legislated away most forms of artificial stress relief. During the days when people smoked like chimneys, how many mass murders did we see??

Another thing that scares me is the fact that our children are resorting to using "K2", "Bath Salts", "Keyboard Dusters", and "designer drugs available from the internet" for purposes of stress relief, and "to get high".

When each of my children entered high school, I had a good long talk with them, and told them that if things got bad enough that they needed something to take the edge off, to talk to their mother, or myself, and that we would see that their needs were taken care of, and without guilt or consequence. They did both come to us, and we were able to secure the help that they needed to get through some very stressful times in each of their lives.

"Just say no" doesn't work; it never did, and it never will. Much the way prohibition failed, our "war on drugs" has also; and taken the lives of many good people in the process.

Should all drugs be legalized? No.

Should some be available without prescription, in controlled and monitored quantities? Yes, as they are in Mexico, Canada, much of Europe, and the balance of the civilized world. Counseling must accompany their purchase, and society must condition itself to use these "tools" in moderation.

Again, moderation is the keyword.

PAMD wrote:

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If items of pleasure are used in moderation, usually little harm will come, and some have benefits necessary to everyday life.

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 True but in the age of people that for lack of a better term delve into self-destructive behaviors since anything an everything can be used to the point that one could hurt their health by abusing it....  How do we as a nation or as being the current generation of human beings living on this crazy orb floating in space try to figure out the wiring of someone that obsessively seeks to self-abuse.