I agree, to a point. If they can succeed in keeping their personalities from clashing. Most of the employees on both sides of the aisle seemed uncomfortable to me. If anything, this move was made because of the show, and not "in the interest of healing the family". Can't wait to see Mikey tonight.
-- Edited by admin on Monday 5th of November 2012 05:57:35 PM
I believe having Paul Jr and Sr in business together will never work. I think their work styles, philosophies and focus are far too different. I also think there is still far too much animosity among some of the OCC crew to not continually snipe at Paul Jr (see Jason's childish attitude and remarks). I believe both Paul Jr and Sr both like being in control and neither wants to reliquish it; there can't be two leaders in their endeavours. Personally, Sr is showing me that his "change" had more to do with the launch of the OCC Cafe and the bad press than truly wanting to have a mutually respectful and satisfying relationship. I do feel Paul Jr is being a tad mercenary with both the production bike and the commercial. I feel he is only pushing for this quasi-business relationship to try and further those aspects of his business. Honestly, neither of them are looking too good in this to me. I would never jeopardize my relationship with Vinnie and Cody for the sake of a "business" relationship with OCC. I hope Vinne and Cody forces Paul Jr's hand on this and makes him give up this insane pursuit. Lastly, I have absolutely no interest in this buildoff. I wish they would just let the two shops build bikes and leave it at that.
But if one had to decide, a father or a motorcycle mechanic. And although Junior and Vinnie worked together at OCC, it seemed that they did not stay in great contact once Vinnie left. So they probably would not be best of friends. A good friend, sure, but best friends would have stayed in some form of contact.
After seeing Vinnie's response to the "unholy union", I believe that Junior may have unintentionally "crapped in his own nest". Vinnie is as much a key to the show's success as Junior or Senior - it's almost like that feeling one gets during a bad date: "I've got a bad feeling about this"....
The gang at OCC seemed none too happy about the situation, either!
I have up to now been a Jr. supporter, but I find it hard to believe that after everything that happened back at OCC that Jr. wouldn't reasonably conclude that he and his father cannot be in business together. Not to mention ticking off his loyal employees, and the possible fallout from this. Just not a smart move as far as I'm concerned, and if it all blows up he gets no sympathy from me, as he should have used common sense and known better.
-- Edited by SPQR72 on Tuesday 6th of November 2012 04:52:24 AM
I can't blame Junior for wanting his father back. This seems a natural response. A person only gets one father, some other man maybe can make a decent substitute, but one only has one true father. So there is some connection there that should be stronger than a connection with a co-worker.
I can't blame Junior for wanting his father back. This seems a natural response. A person only gets one father, some other man maybe can make a decent substitute, but one only has one true father. So there is some connection there that should be stronger than a connection with a co-worker.
All the more reason to avoid being in business together at all costs. If it didn't work before, what makes him think it can work again? This whole thing must have been setup by Discovery, because to me it just flies in the face of common sense, and rational thought. If that is the case Jr. should have not gone along with it for the sake of their relationship.
It is possible that it is all just the next plot twist. Drama sold the show. Always has. Senior admitted that way back in season 1 or 2. And it seems that the drama for this show is driven by conflict. so this may be the newest twist.
I agree re: the cracks; the level of tension was astounding (moreso at PJD, but OCC's crew seemed to not be on-board, either) at both shops. I also believe that many of the fans believe that we've been lead on a wild goose chase for the last four years. Who in the hell is going to purchase a major investment from a start-up company which has a track record of both major partners feuding?
I am also leary about the Pohl interactions, far more than those of Steve Moreau. Ammirati has become almost benign.
-- Edited by admin on Tuesday 6th of November 2012 04:06:30 PM
I lost a lot of respect for Junior over this deal. Not telling his crew about it until the meeting. Then just wanting to design the bike with OCC manufacturing it and doing all the work for it. I'm glad Senior postponed the commercial too. Looks like judging from next week's episode, they are going to be focusing on the buildoff bike so it will further delay the production bike.
Jr didnt want to do the commercial because he would not have been paid enough. You cannot charge clients for the time you spend learning how to make your first commercial. That is part of startup costs. Either way its never gonna work out. If he forces vinnie and cody then they might be forces again, v forces. I cant see how a partnership includes designing one bike on a lift in say 2 months, then turn it over and have OCC make the parts, paint the parts, assemble the parts and insure the bikes and deal with the EPA. Its jr's huge ego that has everyone around him believing he is a great designer, a designer that cannot or will not draw an idea on paper. The cre 8 play guy should have given him an idea of what designing really is.
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Before this season I just wanted Discovery to quit ****ing around and give us a show with Paulie, Mikey and Vinnie and let the old man go sit on his porch and wave his cane at the neighbor's kids. ("well it's my ball NOW, ya bastards!") Instead we get the circle-jerk again and I think Paulie screwed the pooch on this one. I don't care WHO you are, the idea of PJD and OCC working together on anything after five years of petty stunts and bickering (biker-ing?) sucks like a hot-rodded Hoover. I don't care if they built the most gorgeous chopper the world has ever seen, every time that ******* Senior opens his mouth I want to throw cheetos at my TV.
