I suppose not all of Jason's designs hit the mark. But not all of Juniors designs did either. Remember the crane bike???
Nope that one seriously missed the ICONIC bullseye, or was a shallow pop-up hit. Didn't hit it out the park. There was quite a few like that. about a good quarter of Juniors theme bikes didn't equate to ICOnic.
the bottom line is jr could never give any fabricator a picture of what his vision was. His problems with Jason was simply the fact he could not do that. Cant blame Sr from being upset from having so many reject gas tanks and fenders around the shop.
I can never forget seeing the look on the bicycle guys face when there were no design plans whatsoever to start building from.
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the bottom line is jr could never give any fabricator a picture of what his vision was. His problems with Jason was simply the fact he could not do that. Cant blame Sr from being upset from having so many reject gas tanks and fenders around the shop.
I can never forget seeing the look on the bicycle guys face when there were no design plans whatsoever to start building from.
-- Edited by anotheridiot on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 12:53:12 PM
Could've just be that he had a hard time expressing the vision in words on the picture he can build. Some artists have problems expressing their vision in words an have to see it themselves.
Those bicycle customers must have certainly been happy of the final product, or the current customers of the final product. The fans as can see by the hits on the webisodes certainly responding to the style of the product.
cool, I can live with him being called an artist, well, an artist where he hires people to do his work.
The bicycle consumers were happy with a product, all I am saying is the bike company had to come up with the drawings to put the bikes into production.
Sr is in business.
Jr wants to build sculptures that people rarely ride, well now they ride in the video game.
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cool, I can live with him being called an artist, well, an artist where he hires people to do his work.
The bicycle consumers were happy with a product, all I am saying is the bike company had to come up with the drawings to put the bikes into production.
Sr is in business.
Jr wants to build sculptures that people rarely ride, well now they ride in the video game.
True... He could be defined currently as a artist. In the early theme bikes before Rick came in to fabricate, he was the one fabricating the bikes that took the show to a ratings success,
cool, I can live with him being called an artist, well, an artist where he hires people to do his work.
The bicycle consumers were happy with a product, all I am saying is the bike company had to come up with the drawings to put the bikes into production.
Sr is in business.
Jr wants to build sculptures that people rarely ride, well now they ride in the video game.
True... He could be defined currently as a artist. In the early theme bikes before Rick came in to fabricate, he was the one fabricating the bikes that took the show to a ratings success,
yeah, fabricate and tack them together. just once I would have liked to see him finish welding a gas tank that held liquid. probably would have more respect from idiots like me.
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Are you guys still fighting over Jr's ability as an artist. This weekend I watched Jesse James show. I couldn't find any new programs of a type that I'm willing to watch and I felt like watching TV so my only choice was Outlaw Garage.
I learned something. In the middle of that last build off Jesse built Sr one REALLY NICE hot rod. It was white (so white that it almost glowed) and chrome. It was beautiful. Now I don't think a man who hates someone builds them a vehicle like that. Jesse wouldn't even tell his crew who they were building the car for until Sr showed up. He was afraid they wouldn't do their best on the project.
I never believed the show was "real" and that proved it along with Sr defining to Jr that some grief Jr had was part of the show. Those are only two examples of a who lot of things that made me believe the show was not real. Craig Pilgrim or how ever his name should be spelled should be ashamed of himself. Every show I've watched of his is full of stress and is not really fun to watch. And has people crying for the build and not the drama. Guy just doesn't learn.
You have had a respite from me; and will continue to have one. I am taking care of my husband. We are moving out of this desert and into this enormous house that my daughter and son-in-law have in Chino. Its cooler there and I need the help. The size of the house means we won't be in each other's way all the time. The good news is he is well enough to come out of the board and care facility and to come home. It also helps that my daughter is a RN. What is almost a miracle is he is alive. The medical service in this valley is appalling!
No, not fighting, just maybe we are defining now. We just go back to all Sr wanted was for Jr to be able to sit down with jason, design a bike that would be left in the capable hands of the fabricators to build.
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Jr used to sit down with Jason and they both came up with an initial outline; but Jr's ability was to look at the bike and decide what it needed. Everybody has their own way to do things; and it's been my experience that when people are made to do something a certain way their creativity is stifled. And this can happen when you are building a bike, car or composing a letter.
I think most of their problems were magnified or just plain made up. The producer has a template they use with their shows and it doesn't take much thinking to create a show. People want to watch a bike/car being built not drama.
There is a new show on Velocity that has 3 bike shops in a state have a build off. People on Twitter vote for the shop they want to win. So far the smallest shops have won; sorta people voting for the underdog. Not that the bikes weren't good but each shop built a bike commensurate with how big they were and the money they could spend. The underdogs have done a good job with what they have.
The big shops have done some fantastic work because they have the machinery to do the work. The underdogs fabricate by hand. I kinda think they should have contests to really find out which shop is the best according to the their ability.
I just saw a episode of Chasing Classics Cars with Wayne Carini this morning. They showed a mid century Ferrari of which only 2 were built as "show cars." They thought one of them had been destroyed. Well the destroyed car ended up in someone's yard sale and sold for $600.
I believe in some ways egos got out of check with the runaway success of the show. Jason feeling all Junior does is come in an "tweek" My drawin's. Junior seeing himself "AS" the creative force that put the shop to the level of success it was. An the show producers feeling well "WE" took these stumbling bunch of "Nobodies" an made them TV royality, now they are biting the hand that feeds the machine.
Soo... what happened.... Happened no chance of changing past history. Only thing is to do is build on it. Junior Built a new shop an a "New success on his own" an now looks to have a second chance beyond American Chopper.
Senior has his homage to the past an the plans to spend his time living on the pleasant memories of the builds during the show.
Jr used to sit down with Jason and they both came up with an initial outline; but Jr's ability was to look at the bike and decide what it needed. Everybody has their own way to do things; and it's been my experience that when people are made to do something a certain way their creativity is stifled. And this can happen when you are building a bike, car or composing a letter.
I think most of their problems were magnified or just plain made up. The producer has a template they use with their shows and it doesn't take much thinking to create a show. People want to watch a bike/car being built not drama.
There is a new show on Velocity that has 3 bike shops in a state have a build off. People on Twitter vote for the shop they want to win. So far the smallest shops have won; sorta people voting for the underdog. Not that the bikes weren't good but each shop built a bike commensurate with how big they were and the money they could spend. The underdogs have done a good job with what they have.
The big shops have done some fantastic work because they have the machinery to do the work. The underdogs fabricate by hand. I kinda think they should have contests to really find out which shop is the best according to the their ability.
Is that different than the biker live on discovery? my problem with that one is they open the voting before you even see the bike. First you vote on the crew, then eventually you vote on the bike that came out of it. By the second commercial break there are already tons of votes for one team just on their personality and look.
Sr used the money they got to show his technology and what they could do with the snomobile beast and cnc sport bike. Jr chose to spend his money bringing in parts other s made. These teams seem to think that this is a stepping stone for their own series.
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