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It wasn't a bike building contest; it was a popularity contest, period. It just goes to show that a little good P.R. goes quite a long way....

 

Did JJ really give someone an STD???  if so, Junior's video gag should have included a shipment of antibiotics from Mexico (from the same pharmacy which El G uses), and an edited version of one of those "VD Films" that they used to show in high school in the '60s and '70s; "Count Spirochete" (the was produced when Penicillin would cure damn near anything; it doesn't do squat now).

-- Edited by PAMD on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 02:13:19 AM

I for one am flabbergasted Gas Monkey came in before JJ. Sad, sad day in the JJ universe. Spanked twice on live tv.

jakemac wrote:

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And if Jesse hadn't been screwing around, he wouldn't have lost "Miss Congeniality" as well. 

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 I'm glad you agree.

ghostmonkey wrote:

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Izzy Ryder wrote:

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I was surprised, but then I realized it was just more proof that this is a bogus bike building building contest.
It's a popularity contest. NOBODY was voting for the bikes. They were voting on PERSONALITY.
A more appropriate name would have been "Miss Congeniality" instead of "biker build off".

BTW... did voters get charged a fee for their text vote?

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 12:42:36 AM

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 Here we go again. Maybe you need to ask why Sr and JJ are so unpopular then?

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So unpopular? Where's the voting data? Oh... It's not available? How convenient....

Izzy Ryder wrote:

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I was surprised, but then I realized it was just more proof that this is a bogus bike building building contest.
It's a popularity contest. NOBODY was voting for the bikes. They were voting on PERSONALITY.
A more appropriate name would have been "Miss Congeniality" instead of "biker build off".

BTW... did voters get charged a fee for their text vote?

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 12:42:36 AM

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 Yes the old "hidden fee" charge. If you read the tiny words at the bottom of the screen it says some charges may apply. I don't recall Gas monkey being popular or winning anything. Could Discovery put them as 2nd runner up since American chopper is gone? And they can benefit from it?

Izzy Ryder wrote:

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I was surprised, but then I realized it was just more proof that this is a bogus bike building building contest.
It's a popularity contest. NOBODY was voting for the bikes. They were voting on PERSONALITY.
A more appropriate name would have been "Miss Congeniality" instead of "biker build off".

BTW... did voters get charged a fee for their text vote?

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 12:42:36 AM

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 Izzy, I want to disagree with you so bad, but alas I seem to have no ammo. Personally, I didn't judge the bikes on builder personality, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding.

It seems the voters disqualified JJ.

I hope you have pics of the rest of the bikes, I would like to discuss all of them.

This looks better standing still than with a rider on it, which makes it look way too long.

The bumper on the back fender is fine, but why put a bumper detail on the back of the front fender?

There is also alot of dead space along the backbone to see thru the bike. All the old cars had a flat firewall after the hood, that is represented by the grill and gas tank. an oil tank (if they even have one) would have gone nicely in that area. The angle shot looks fine, the side shot shows the hole.

And I am sorry, that handlebar steering wheel is just plain wrong. Does the bike have cruise control to where you would actually hang on there?

It definitely looks awesome on that angle shot where it looks short and fast, I just thought it was way too long with that sheetmetal. Alot of rat rods dont even have rear fenders.

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 01:46:16 PM

SilentBob wrote:

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Izzy Ryder wrote:

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I was surprised, but then I realized it was just more proof that this is a bogus bike building building contest.
It's a popularity contest. NOBODY was voting for the bikes. They were voting on PERSONALITY.
A more appropriate name would have been "Miss Congeniality" instead of "biker build off".

BTW... did voters get charged a fee for their text vote?

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 12:42:36 AM

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 Izzy, I want to disagree with you so bad, but alas I seem to have no ammo. Personally, I didn't judge the bikes on builder personality, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding.

It seems the voters disqualified JJ.

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 I think the answer is going back to having three judges that actually critique the bikes and vote for a winner. None of the innovation was even considered, just the lemming effect. I dont think anybody knew until an hour before voting ended that the OCC bikes motor was suspended in the bike. We really got one cool look at the bikes on the show and I saw more cool things on each bike after the vote.

anybody see actual numbers from the vote?

anotheridiot wrote:

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I hope you have pics of the rest of the bikes, I would like to discuss all of them.

This looks better standing still than with a rider on it, which makes it look way too long.

The bumper on the back fender is fine, but why put a bumper detail on the back of the front fender?

There is also alot of dead space along the backbone to see thru the bike. All the old cars had a flat firewall after the hood, that is represented by the grill and gas tank. an oil tank (if they even have one) would have gone nicely in that area. The angle shot looks fine, the side shot shows the hole.

Air Cooled motor, can't be blocking up the area behind the grille  Yes maybe he should've used some mesh, but It worked an he won.

And I am sorry, that handlebar steering wheel is just plain wrong. Does the bike have cruise control to where you would actually hang on there?

He did the same on the Shelby Bike.   I certainly don't hear anyone bad mouth the Carrol Shelby bike or a few others that he did this style of treatment.

 

It definitely looks awesome on that angle shot where it looks short and fast, I just thought it was way too long with that sheetmetal. Alot of rat rods dont even have rear fenders.

-- Edited by anotheridiot on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 01:46:16 PM

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 It's a flamboyant representation of what in Jr's minds eye a rat rod theme bike would be.  My only complaint is where's the vintage like cartoon or pin-up on the rear fender.  A pin-up of Racheal with her sexy looong legs would have put the icing on the cake....

I've been checking around the comments on other sites, and was surprised to see that while there is the usual whining about the Build-off being a popularity contest (duh), there are more postings complaining about Gas Monkey taking second place. People are really PO'd that GMG placed higher than JJ or OCC with a simple chop job.

I can understand the attitude, to a certain extent; but for some of us who voted based on the bikes looks, and not the builders, the bikes brought in by OCC and JJ just didn't cut it.

As for it being a popularity contest, no merde, sherlock ! That is what a vote based contest is. Even some of the tweets on JJ's site are saying that they didn't like his bike but voted for him anyway because 'he's the man'. It happens.

 

 

* I'm still amused by GMG beating JJ with a pink bike. Pink is the new black. (how come no-one has mentioned the fact that JJ's bike was purple ?)

-- Edited by jakemac on Wednesday 12th of December 2012 11:57:55 PM

Jr built another very flashy bike, but the exhaust manifold was another repeat of last year's piss poor engineering design. The pipes exit the heads into an angular constructed collector box via mitered tubes bent at almost 180º. (big fluid dynamics no-no). That's got to be worth at least 35% restriction in flow at full throttle. Usually a collector box that close to the valves on a V-twin engine design creates reverse wave pulses which work against each other. Basically the front cylinder is trying to pump air into the rear cylinder. It's a nice, artistic looking restrictor plate.
Lack of engineering forethought is partly one of the reasons he and Sr couldn't agree when trying to build the production bike. Jr has an artist view that does not envision design from a standpoint of mechanical efficiency. That's an important design factor for mass production and decent enough reliability to offer a warranty on the finished product.

anotheridiot wrote:

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I'm sorry, but I am still blown away about the engine in the OCC bike being suspended from that backbone frame. I understand the blocky front end in order to add the springers.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151231954508087&set=a.10151231954328087.446520.54879668086&type=1&theater

Look at the discoloration in the pipes in this picture, they ran the hell out of that bike to petina the exhaust that much.

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JJ's bike had that same theme as OCC's except that he took it one step further by making the engine and transmission the primary structural base of the entire bike. There is virtually no frame on this bike. The engine he chose is unique also. It's a specialized hi performance Harley SE-120R engine intended for racing, not boulevard cruising at 35mph.

 

His exhaust tubes had a light golden patina too, altough not as prominent as OCC's. I think it's a common occurance in stainless steel tubing. I wonder if JJ used a lot of stainless this time in his bike. it's hard to differentiate between polished aluminum and stainless in the photos. I think he could have put a little more icing on the cake by using featherweight carbon fibre wheels instead of billet aluminum.

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Thursday 13th of December 2012 11:43:30 AM

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-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Thursday 13th of December 2012 12:02:45 PM

It was a biker build-off though. So yes, the finished product "look" counted, but the "building" also counted. While I didn't like the end looks of JJ's bike, the OCC bike was pretty cool (less the blocky front end). The Ass Monkey bike was a regular looking bike - nothing fabulous, they didn't add really anything to it.

It would be like having a car build off, and you completely build a car, while I just glue some glitter on the hood (or some rivets and sheet metal), then I win.

I'm sorry, but I am still blown away about the engine in the OCC bike being suspended from that backbone frame. I understand the blocky front end in order to add the springers.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151231954508087&set=a.10151231954328087.446520.54879668086&type=1&theater

Look at the discoloration in the pipes in this picture, they ran the hell out of that bike to petina the exhaust that much.

I've been taking a closer look at the pipes, and I'm not sure, but I think that they may have given the exhaust a brass finish during the anodizing process. There is definatly heat tinting going on, but the overall color is still too consistant for all of it to be natural. Just to be clear, I like the look. It gives the bike some color that it desperatly needs.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151231954583087&set=a.10151231954328087.446520.54879668086&type=1&permPage=1

Remember Blendzall??

dahammer_57 wrote:

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I believe OCC (once again) and JJ are so intimidated by PJD's ability to create an artistic, popular to the masses chopper that they threw the match by bringing ninja frankenstein on steroids bikes. That way they can continue to whine about their bike being technically better even though they got their asses handed to them on the vote. This was a chopper building contest spun off from a show about building theme choppers..why not bring Baked Alaska to an Apple Pie baking contest? But mine was better mine was better!!! The results are a no brainer and should come as a suprise to no one except the most dense among the OCC and JJ fanatics. They need to get a grip and get a clue already.

And the winner is...bam a chopper!

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 They did frankenstein because they knew regardless of what they brought, even a carbon copy of what jr brought, it was gonna be a landslide loss. Sr just gauged what the public thought of him by doing this sport bike. 

What nobody gives OCC any credit for was even that hybrid snomobile deal from last season and this year were the two best engineered things in the competition.

ghostmonkey wrote:

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anotheridiot wrote:

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 They did frankenstein because they knew regardless of what they brought, even a carbon copy of what jr brought, it was gonna be a landslide loss. Sr just gauged what the public thought of him by doing this sport bike. 

What nobody gives OCC any credit for was even that hybrid snomobile deal from last season and this year were the two best engineered things in the competition.

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 Then why did they all bother to enter the comp in the first place? And JJ for example has 200,000 fans on twitter while Jr has 120,000, so if it's just a popularity contest why did JJ get so few votes?

Why would we when it was a joke and most of the snowmobile was made by others?

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Are you stupid? they entered for the money.  Jesse James told his 120,000 fans (if counting twitter is how we count support now adays) that he didnt care if he won or not. He got to build the bike he has been dreaming about for a decade on discovery channels dime. I really dont think Jesse would have 100,000 t shirts ready to sell because he won such a prominent competition. Take jr's bike to sturgis and get judged and I bet it doesnt even place.

I know Jake, I just cant help try get ghost monkeys head out of juniors ass.

jakemac wrote:

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If you watch JJ at the end of the build-off, while they were waiting for the announcement, JJ was looking at the floor with a concerned expression on his face. His arms were drawn in. The body language suggested worry. All the others were looking up and paying attention to the host.

When Jr was announced as the winner, JJ immediately stepped backwards out of the spotlight, and walked to the back of the stage. It was as if he was looking for a way off the stage, or taking a moment in the dark to compose himself before starting to wander back to the front. That was when the show went Amish.

All this tells me that despite his words, Jesse James not only cared about winning, He was counting on it. Once again, his mouth delivered a promise that his ego couldn't deliver ............ and he was shocked by it. He may tell everyone that it doesn't matter, because he's the best and everyone else is dirt, but he secretly measures his own self worth by accolades, and he just got spanked. Again.

-- Edited by jakemac on Thursday 13th of December 2012 06:52:48 PM

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 Exactly of course he wanted to win.

Then explain how Vinnie works with Junior... it's the fact that Vinnie is more leinient with Junior's flaws an is able to work around them to accomplish the same or better goal.

 

Sometimes beauty is not in perfection it's in the individuality of the subject or person.. 

-- Edited by 1Moparsick0 on Friday 14th of December 2012 04:08:01 PM

anotheridiot wrote:

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What nobody gives OCC any credit for was even that hybrid snomobile deal from last season and this year were the two best engineered things in the competition.

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 CREDIT!! CREDIT!! Oh I will give lots of credit too that.  That project still bring credit as a worthy subject to Talk about.   I REVEL IN THAT BIKE BEING BUILT. Because up till then we had the horsey bike to compare ugliest bike to.  The "Roach Coach"  proved how much at that time he needed to let go of Jason.  All I can say if Senior does not dump Jason then it proves that Senior is not in control of his mental facilities.   Jason is Senior's competitors best friend.  It proves that he can't design, the programming does the design.  An that is why it fails.

1Moparsick0 wrote:

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anotheridiot wrote:

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What nobody gives OCC any credit for was even that hybrid snomobile deal from last season and this year were the two best engineered things in the competition.

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 CREDIT!! CREDIT!! Oh I will give lots of credit too that.  That project still bring credit as a worthy subject to Talk about.   I REVEL IN THAT BIKE BEING BUILT. Because up till then we had the horsey bike to compare ugliest bike to.  The "Roach Coach"  proved how much at that time he needed to let go of Jason.  All I can say if Senior does not dump Jason then it proves that Senior is not in control of his mental facilities.   Jason is Senior's competitors best friend.  It proves that he can't design, the programming does the design.  An that is why it fails.

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 But you also need to design to the capabilities of the programming and machines. I dont think they have a 3D mill like Jesse had at WCC. It went on all axis, not just x and y. Senior bought into technology and part of that is accepting what can be done. It differs from jr dreaming what could be done, then rejecting parts from the guys until they make something he visions.

jakemac wrote:

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If you watch JJ at the end of the build-off, while they were waiting for the announcement, JJ was looking at the floor with a concerned expression on his face. His arms were drawn in. The body language suggested worry. All the others were looking up and paying attention to the host.

When Jr was announced as the winner, JJ immediately stepped backwards out of the spotlight, and walked to the back of the stage. It was as if he was looking for a way off the stage, or taking a moment in the dark to compose himself before starting to wander back to the front. That was when the show went Amish.

All this tells me that despite his words, Jesse James not only cared about winning, He was counting on it. Once again, his mouth delivered a promise that his ego couldn't deliver ............ and he was shocked by it. He may tell everyone that it doesn't matter, because he's the best and everyone else is dirt, but he secretly measures his own self worth by accolades, and he just got spanked. Again.

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 Damn, what a great post. That's exactly what I thought at the time, too. I immediately rewound to check, and I believe you were right on the money.