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Izzy Ryder · Senior Member

Wow... that seemed uncomfortable for Vinny

PAMD · Veteran Member

Parts of the 19 November show were difficult to watch, especially the phony "GMG effigy + fan" scene, the discussions between father and son, and the Vinnie vs. Senior confrontation.

I wonder if Vinnie's attorney's focus was to separate Vinnie from the show (Pilgrim Television), and it's contracts; or, to terminate an appearance mandate required by OCC of it's employees? You wouldn't need an attorney to (simply) quit twisting a wrench for a living.

The "thousands of hours of overtime" that was (apparently) unpaid comment sent me for a ride, too.

Maybe this is their way of easing the pressure of saying goodbye??

I have some interesting news(?) on the "continuation of the show front, and will post in the "Show Cancellation" category.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

That meeting at a section of roadside looked like something a "baddie" in a spy or Mafiaso movie go to turn on a gun to the backseat an Make a corny qiup then give the kiss of death or pop abou two or three shots into the victim...

jakemac · Senior Member

That meeting would have played better in a dark seedy ally somewhere.

There was speculation on the old board about why Vinnie left, and he has never come right out and stated the reason (although he has alluded to it). But tonight, we have what will probably be the most open statement about it from him that we'll ever get. In short, what I got from it was that while the unpaid money was an underlying factor, the primary reason was that they (the Teutuls, primarily SR.) wouldn't consider him for promotion, and wanted him to remain a grease monkey.

PAMD · Veteran Member

Loosely quoted; Paul Senior to Vinnie: "if I didn't hire you, you'd have nothing".

That statement says volumes about how Senior really feels about his employees, and allows a look into the mindset of a narcissist, and an opinion of Senior which has been speculated upon here (okay, over there) for quite some time. That so-called "changed person" he's said that he has become really did change, like a sheep changing back into wolf's clothing (reverse Biblical reference).

Self-inflated ego?? Control freak?? Smart businessman?? , I have no idea(r)...

however,

...it was interesting that Senior made the mistaken statement that Vinnie had sued him; that tells me that the head of the Teutul clan has been the subject of quantities of litigation from employees (and probably contractors - Justin, for one) other than Vinnie. We know about Cody; Campo, maybe??; James "Dee" Clark, maybe??

For now, I'll just settle on the opinion that Senior is a horse's butt....

Izzy Ryder · Senior Member

Vinny's "thousands of hours of overtime" unpaid comment has me wondering if this was a little exxagerrated on Vinny's part.

That's an easy lawsuit to win if you have records to back it. If Vinny was on a salary (agreed in the contract) while working for OCC, that might make overtime a little more difficult to separate from a normal workday.

Could be Vinny regrets not knowing any better when he signed contracts early in his career with OCC. He probably wishes he had an agent or advisor back then.

-- Edited by Izzy Ryder on Tuesday 20th of November 2012 11:32:55 AM

AnitaLaLouise · Senior Member

I think they all seem to be a little unclear about what being sued actually is. There was that whole thing with Joe where Jr keeps saying Sr sued them, when no such thing happened - again, it was a letter from the lawyer, not a lawsuit.

Very uncomfortable meeting between Sr and Vinnie. I think Vinnie did a good job of not being drawn into an argument though, and looked like the bigger man. Much respect for the Vin man.

anotheridiot · Guru

I dont know why Jr has missed it, but for the last three episodes Vinnie has said he is not interested. Now this staged jr at a rack while vinnie walks back in was why this series is being cancelled. I dont know the actual time frame between shows, if its a day or a week, but just now jr thinks that this collaboration might have repercussions with his guys? Thats what I cant stand about the man, me, me, me...... nobody see it.

jr has not had a motorcycle build over the past three episodes, now its a new t shirt company, after each and every bike they built had t shirts made for them. What did he do to piss off his current t shirt supplier? why cant he see the only reason he has a business is because of what he did at OCC? He was being asked to build a bike for cre8 play. Ended up working for create pay instead. Egomaniac thru and thru, just like his dad.

I dont even know why vinnie left his work to go meet sr unless jr had it set up already. First they put a lift at the back door in case anyone from occ comes in to check their progress, even that was out of the way, but somehow sr gets vinnies number and just leaves the waterjet to see sr as soon as he calls. If that did not show how jr is exactly like dear old dad, nothing will ever convince the fans.

As far as PAMD, it really sucks, but its true. Who would have known any of these guys if Sr did not hire them and have a reality show? Vinnie is alright, but he had problems with sr fixing his roof for gods sake. then whined when he took the cost of materials out of his pay, not the labor cost. Jr and vinnie have skills, but are so jaded its disgusting. Why did sr give vinnie crap at occ, when vinnie was the one fabricating jr's creations....because vinnie still worked in the assbackwards way that jr builds bikes.

Jr, you want a relationship with your dad, let your wife invite them to dinner, go to a ball game, attend some charity events with him, but dont keep kicking the elephant in the room which is building bikes for money.

ghostmonkey · Guru

PAMD wrote:
Loosely quoted; Paul Senior to Vinnie: "if I didn't hire you, you'd have nothing".
That statement says volumes about how Senior really feels about his employees, and allows a look into the mindset of a narcissist, and an opinion of Senior which has been speculated upon here (okay, over there) for quite some time. That so-called "changed person" he's said that he has become really did change, like a sheep changing back into wolf's clothing (reverse Biblical reference).
Self-inflated ego?? Control freak?? Smart businessman?? , I have no idea(r)...
however,
...it was interesting that Senior made the mistaken statement that Vinnie had sued him; that tells me that the head of the Teutul clan has been the subject of quantities of litigation from employees (and probably contractors - Justin, for one) other than Vinnie. We know about Cody; Campo, maybe??; James "Dee" Clark, maybe??
For now, I'll just settle on the opinion that Senior is a horse's butt....

Yep he has never changed. It's kinda sd.

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

More B as in B, S as in S bluster from Same Old Senior (S.O.S.). Senior - "Why did you quit like dat Vin?" ... Vinnie - "Cause you were an arse hat and made life miserable. And you didn't pay me!" Senior - Vein pulsing on forehead - steam exiting ears - "why you no good paluka you'de be nuttin widout me!!!me!!!me!!!". Vin - uninterested in arguing with a two year old - "Whatever Old Man...I work for JR now so eat ****e!" Senior - trembling uncontrollably in a siezure fit of rage - "Curse you Jr...I'll get you if it's da last thing I do!!!

*Disclaimer - All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Izzy Ryder · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
PAMD wrote:
Loosely quoted; Paul Senior to Vinnie: "if I didn't hire you, you'd have nothing".
That statement says volumes about how Senior really feels about his employees, and allows a look into the mindset of a narcissist, and an opinion of Senior which has been speculated upon here (okay, over there) for quite some time. That so-called "changed person" he's said that he has become really did change, like a sheep changing back into wolf's clothing (reverse Biblical reference).
Self-inflated ego?? Control freak?? Smart businessman?? , I have no idea(r)...
however,
...it was interesting that Senior made the mistaken statement that Vinnie had sued him; that tells me that the head of the Teutul clan has been the subject of quantities of litigation from employees (and probably contractors - Justin, for one) other than Vinnie. We know about Cody; Campo, maybe??; James "Dee" Clark, maybe??
For now, I'll just settle on the opinion that Senior is a horse's butt....

Yep he has never changed. It's kinda sd.

But Sr wasn't lying that time. There was no way to put it nicely, that's all.

jakemac · Senior Member

Conversely, Vinnie could have said that "without my blood and sweat, your business wouldn't be where it is today" But he didn't.

The employer/employee relationship is reciprocal. They both got where they are together, one didn't make the other. Vinnie wanted his contribution to be recognized, and Sr is not capable of acknowledging that anyone but himself is responsible for OCC's success. That was one of the things that Jr was upset about as well. I doubt that Sr fully understands the show's part in OCC's rise to "glory" (infamy), or the cancellation's effect on it's fall.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Izzy Ryder wrote:
Yep he has never changed. It's kinda sd.
But Sr wasn't lying that time. There was no way to put it nicely, that's all.

But there was no reason to say it at all. It seemed to be the reason why he rang him.

ghostmonkey · Guru

jakemac wrote:
Conversely, Vinnie could have said that "without my blood and sweat, your business wouldn't be where it is today" But he didn't.
The employer/employee relationship is reciprocal. They both got where they are together, one didn't make the other. Vinnie wanted his contribution to be recognized, and Sr is not capable of acknowledging that anyone but himself is responsible for OCC's success. That was one of the things that Jr was upset about as well. I doubt that Sr fully understands the show's part in OCC's rise to "glory" (infamy), or the cancellation's effect on it's fall.

Yeah you could see Vinnie had to bite his lip hard. In Sr's mind he did everything and everyone owes what they have to him. Sad, sad man.

anotheridiot · Guru

Thats the generation man. Its pretty simple. Nobody would know Vinnie if not for american chopper. Do you think he could have opened V-Force if not for him working for Sr? Are people that bought bike from him at V Force someone who saw his hard work and dedication on american chopper?

Its odd how everyone can give Vinnie and jr credit for making OCC what it is today, but give absolutely no credit at all to Sr. I still see alot of trouble between vinnie and jr. Half the stuff Vinnie was yelled at about by sr was stuff that sr could not yell at jr about because jr was not around. He would just disappear when the cameras went off while Vinnie was there doing the majority of fabrication on all of jr's masterpieces...

jakemac · Senior Member

Certainly Sr had a part in the success of OCC, I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that he wasn't solely responsible, and he refuses to acknowledge that.

anotheridiot · Guru

jakemac wrote:
Certainly Sr had a part in the success of OCC, I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that he wasn't solely responsible, and he refuses to acknowledge that.

Thats the thing though, Sr credits people for doing things he cannot do, where it seems jr does not believe that place would ever exist without him. Sr gets all defensive because its more like what am I chopped liver?

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

Does Senior owe everything to the first person who showed him how to twist an iron bar? I doubt that's how he'd see it. His attitude further illustrates his ego maniacal delusion. If not for Jr.submitting OCC for a show Senior would be a small footnote in minor chopper publications for building his old school customs from his small shop. His former iron works success would probally be bankrupted by lawsuits and the bad construction economy. It's all what you think came first, the chicken or the egg. I see the show proposal as the key moment that led to us knowing any of them existed. Therefore I see it as Senior would be nothing without Jr.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
jakemac wrote:
Certainly Sr had a part in the success of OCC, I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that he wasn't solely responsible, and he refuses to acknowledge that.
Thats the thing though, Sr credits people for doing things he cannot do, where it seems jr does not believe that place would ever exist without him. Sr gets all defensive because its more like what am I chopped liver?

And nobody would of heard of Sr if not for Jr's designs and idea's and Pilgram. Imagine if Pilgram or Jr said that to Sr, then we would see the **** the big ass fans lol.

So Sr is that bad of a boss that instead of yelling at the person who he thinks deserves it he yells at some innocent employee just because he cant control himself. WOW

And how exactly do you know that Vinnie did the majority of fabrication on all of jr's masterpieces?

Sr give credit, when? Funny way to give Vinnie credit. Jr has never said anything like what Sr said to Viinnie.

anotheridiot · Guru

wow, I can remember the old shows.

Sr to vinnie "Wheres Paulie"

Vinnie "I dont know"

When did you see him last?

Cant remember

Paulie shows up late, vinnie stays with him to work on the bikes, sr doesnt pay him overtime.

Who's fault was it.

Sure sr took it out on vinnie because they had their little sewing circle keeping sr out of anything they did.

All the time Vinnie is there every day working on the bike, jr was missing. Hold two pieces in the air and say its supposed to look like this blank area between my two hands that I cannot even sketch the idea for you.

Nobody can blame Jr for anything. All he knows how to do is theme bikes. How much work have you seem paulie do on a bike this season? the most hands on he got was mig welding the frame for the playground stuff and make people do things over and over til it looks like the vision he has in his head. If that person worked for you, you would be as pissed as sr was.

Seriously, look up any design companies and you will see examples of drawings or renderings, not finished products.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
wow, I can remember the old shows.

Sr to vinnie "Wheres Paulie"

Vinnie "I dont know"

When did you see him last?

Cant remember

Paulie shows up late, vinnie stays with him to work on the bikes, sr doesnt pay him overtime.

Who's fault was it.

Sure sr took it out on vinnie because they had their little sewing circle keeping sr out of anything they did.

All the time Vinnie is there every day working on the bike, jr was missing. Hold two pieces in the air and say its supposed to look like this blank area between my two hands that I cannot even sketch the idea for you.

Nobody can blame Jr for anything. All he knows how to do is theme bikes. How much work have you seem paulie do on a bike this season? the most hands on he got was mig welding the frame for the playground stuff and make people do things over and over til it looks like the vision he has in his head. If that person worked for you, you would be as pissed as sr was.

Seriously, look up any design companies and you will see examples of drawings or renderings, not finished products.

The bosses fault. He should of fired Jr and designed the bikes himself.

Sorry that's right Sr never had the balls to do that because he knew it would of been bye bye OCC.

How much work have you seen Sr do in over 10 years of AC? We have seen him stuff things up more then anything.

So what about the drawings. Look at the type of bikes you get with the drawings, the Horse bike, the Antler bike and so on. And compare that to the GOW trike or the Geico. Why after Jr left did Rick have a big blow up asking why they don't build real bikes anymore since Jr left? And said that working off plans is something he doesn't like cause that's not how he is use to doing things for himself. He also went on to say that having a designer who knows nothing about bikes sucks. So I'd rather the no plan designed by a pperson with real talent who knows bikes.

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

It was never about Jr. being da Vinci with a sketch pad or employee of the month at the time clock factory. It was about veiwers interest in the the one off theme bikes Jr. and the team created each week.That is what created OCC as a brand people would buy from tee shirts to lego chopper models and made Senior wealthy 10 fold in the process. Although Seniors antics were an amusing side bar at first they soon became a distraction and eventually painful to watch. The goose that laid the golden egg was Jr. and the teams creations. Senior could not keep himself from killing said goose because he has always thought it was about himself.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Shame we don't have a like button like facebook. Like x 1000

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

Ghost Monkey Sez: And nobody would of heard of Sr if not for Jr's designs and idea's and Pilgram. Imagine if Pilgram or Jr said that to Sr, then we would see the **** the big ass fans lol.

Also don't forget Wyclef, and the Trim Spa client at the time that gave them thier frist High Paying Theme Bike client that started the whole ball rolling, or Miller Welding, or the movie I Robot. If you want to get technical, nothing would have happened without those domino's in the timeline would've never fell. I guess in life the domino stack has to end sometime.

I personally don't like it. Personally I am sitting next to my tv, and I an watching Travel channel enjoying the Toy Hunter, an seen Baggage Battles... Interesting, but not exactly what I would be watching at DSC if they didn't (Blank)Up there programming.

Renegade · Senior Member

What was accomplished during the meeting? Nothing. "I Made You". You wouldn't be nothing if it wasn't for me.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

Senior's meglomania personality just can't justify that without Vinnie an the team that had made many of the timelines an motorcycles possible.

-- Edited by 1Moparsick0 on Thursday 22nd of November 2012 10:20:20 PM

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

Renegade wrote:
What was accomplished during the meeting? Nothing. "I Made You". You wouldn't be nothing if it wasn't for me.

I find it funny that Senior did that as a attempt to smooth things over, but it accomplished the oposite effect. Made Vinnie even more resolute in his feelings about Senior.

Izzy Ryder · Senior Member

I think Sr kind of suspected what Vinny was going to say in advance. I'm sure he's heard clues from others who hang around with Vinny regularly.

Employers have ways of hearing everything disgruntled employees mutter about them behind their backs. (Don't ask me how I know)

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

Most likely from Jason the Snitch... He didn't get his name Stoolie from being a large brown lump stacked about six feet high. It's cause he was singing like a pigeon to his adopted Daddie.

jakemac · Senior Member

There's always at least one gossip sucking up to the boss on every job. The trick is to identify who that is person is as soon as you're hired, and take them out at the knee's. furious

dahammer_57 · Senior Member

It seemed obvious that Sr. saw Vin as a roadblock to getting Jr. onboard with the collaboration project. Instead of making amends for creating a hostile work enviornment it quickly turned into Sr regurgitating his "nobody would be anything without me" mantra.Why the project was ever suggested is beyond me as they plainly can't work together professionally. Perhaps a subconcious attempt on Sr.'s part to get Jr. under his thumb again and provide opportunities to criticize and deride him.

jakemac · Senior Member

dahammer_57 wrote:
Perhaps a subconscious attempt on Sr.'s part to get Jr. under his thumb again and provide opportunities to criticize and deride him.

I don't think that Sr looks to create "opportunities to criticize and deride" Jr. I think that he subconsciously uses whatever current situation is available to do it. He isn't even aware that that is what he is doing.

Renegade · Senior Member

1Moparsick0 wrote:
Most likely from Jason the Snitch... He didn't get his name Stoolie from being a large brown lump stacked about six feet high. It's cause he was singing like a pigeon to his adopted Daddie.

Jason is a fatass who's married to a hot blonde how that tool knock her up?

anotheridiot · Guru

Renegade wrote:
1Moparsick0 wrote:
Most likely from Jason the Snitch... He didn't get his name Stoolie from being a large brown lump stacked about six feet high. It's cause he was singing like a pigeon to his adopted Daddie.
Jason is a fatass who's married to a hot blonde how that tool knock her up?

Why the hate for Jason? Sr hired him to put jr's idears down on paper so Rick and Mike could start to understand what they are building, just like when the bike company put the parts down on paper and jr picked out what he wanted. Jason is talented at what he does. I am sure OCC's customers are estatic to receive a rendering they can frame for their offices and actually suggest changes instead of being stuck with what trickles out of jr's head.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

anotheridiot wrote:
Renegade wrote:
1Moparsick0 wrote:
Most likely from Jason the Snitch... He didn't get his name Stoolie from being a large brown lump stacked about six feet high. It's cause he was singing like a pigeon to his adopted Daddie.
Jason is a fatass who's married to a hot blonde how that tool knock her up?
Why the hate for Jason? Sr hired him to put jr's idears down on paper so Rick and Mike could start to understand what they are building, just like when the bike company put the parts down on paper and jr picked out what he wanted. Jason is talented at what he does. I am sure OCC's customers are estatic to receive a rendering they can frame for their offices and actually suggest changes instead of being stuck with what trickles out of jr's head.

Seems Rick had no problems building tanks an other custom fab before Mike A. was hired to take the position that Vinnie Should've had years ago. Nothing wrong with the drawing as as it is a rough sketch, it's the idear that after that sketch that the design is set in stone, an can't be adjusted so that the finished product is something worthwhile to put your brand or the customers brand on it. Least is my perception.

-- Edited by 1Moparsick0 on Friday 23rd of November 2012 10:50:07 AM

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
Renegade wrote:
1Moparsick0 wrote:
Most likely from Jason the Snitch... He didn't get his name Stoolie from being a large brown lump stacked about six feet high. It's cause he was singing like a pigeon to his adopted Daddie.
Jason is a fatass who's married to a hot blonde how that tool knock her up?
Why the hate for Jason? Sr hired him to put jr's idears down on paper so Rick and Mike could start to understand what they are building, just like when the bike company put the parts down on paper and jr picked out what he wanted. Jason is talented at what he does. I am sure OCC's customers are estatic to receive a rendering they can frame for their offices and actually suggest changes instead of being stuck with what trickles out of jr's head.

I tried to explain why Jason is not a designer and how even the people who still work at OCC think he is just a cut and paste man who knows nothing about bikes but you didn't respond. Don't you believe Rick?

Renegade · Senior Member

Jason is the son Senior always wanted. If he had it his way he'd have him work for Occ forever and free.

rumple · Veteran Member

I enjoy the idea that soon, I'll never have to see that creep Senior again. But I couldn't help thinking: "if it wasn't for me, you wouldn't have nothin'."

Renegade · Senior Member

rumple wrote:
I enjoy the idea that soon, I'll never have to see that creep Senior again. But I couldn't help thinking: "if it wasn't for me, you wouldn't have nothin'."

Money brings greed. and greed = evil.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

People that get that much power in their hands generally feel that the world now revolves around them. Money and power have that effect on certain addictive personalities.

Renegade · Senior Member

1Moparsick0 wrote:
People that get that much power in their hands generally feel that the world now revolves around them. Money and power have that effect on certain addictive personalities.

When you got toys, video games, books, posters, shows, talkshows and money it can make you think your Jordan..instead of Joe.

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
I tried to explain why Jason is not a designer and how even the people who still work at OCC think he is just a cut and paste man who knows nothing about bikes but you didn't respond. Don't you believe Rick?

Its the line of thinking Sr wants. What you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a motorcycle. Sr belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look. So he gives the customer a design by jason first, the customer signs off on it, then it goes to the shop. After you build and paint a motorcycle is not the time for a customer to say he does not like something and it needs to be changed. Sr has built hundreds of bikes, I am sure it has happened more than once. They sign off on a drawing and they can pay to have a different fender or tank, but its not replaced for free anymore.

All Rick would want is to let Jason know what is and is not possible to form and weld before the customer gets the picture. There were only a few tanks at the beginning that rick had to explain were not possible to form and weld. I dont think Rick has been complaining much since Jason has the idear of what he can and cannot do, but in the end, rick is also a custom builder that would like to have some say in what he is making. Jason now understands what can be made, and Rick understands that ego's get left outside the door and it does not get brought up much.

Hell, I got a customer that quotes my paint and powdercoat costs without getting a quotation from me that ends up being low and they lose money on, simply because they did not ask.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

One thing is that what you design on a pc, doesn't take into account how you going to weld shape together or has take into a account for each metal tendencies. Second ever see the idears sent in by Schussler for their bike, the sketches we a mish-mosh of all the different themed restaurants idears that they design..second you goto the OCC bike gallery an you can by sight which ones look like Jason designed it. Especially that elk antlered bike.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
I tried to explain why Jason is not a designer and how even the people who still work at OCC think he is just a cut and paste man who knows nothing about bikes but you didn't respond. Don't you believe Rick?

Its the line of thinking Sr wants. What you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a motorcycle. Sr belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look. So he gives the customer a design by jason first, the customer signs off on it, then it goes to the shop. After you build and paint a motorcycle is not the time for a customer to say he does not like something and it needs to be changed. Sr has built hundreds of bikes, I am sure it has happened more than once. They sign off on a drawing and they can pay to have a different fender or tank, but its not replaced for free anymore.
All Rick would want is to let Jason know what is and is not possible to form and weld before the customer gets the picture. There were only a few tanks at the beginning that rick had to explain were not possible to form and weld. I dont think Rick has been complaining much since Jason has the idear of what he can and cannot do, but in the end, rick is also a custom builder that would like to have some say in what he is making. Jason now understands what can be made, and Rick understands that ego's get left outside the door and it does not get brought up much.
Hell, I got a customer that quotes my paint and powdercoat costs without getting a quotation from me that ends up being low and they lose money on, simply because they did not ask.

And what you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a ad. Jr also belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look that's why they do the R and D. Signing off on a bike didn't stop the Abu Dhabi bike being returned. How many bikes have PJD received back from a unhappy client?

That's not what Rick said. Ricks blow up was only last season, how long has Jason been there? And he still cant design a great bike. Ricks ego??? WTF What a load of BS. When will you get it through your head that just cause Jason can draw doesn't mean he can design. When your head fabricator says he wished he could build some real bikes like when Jr was there and that Jason knows nothing about bikes tells us that Jason is not a designer.

anotheridiot · Guru

ghostmonkey wrote:
And what you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a ad. Jr also belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look that's why they do the R and D. Signing off on a bike didn't stop the Abu Dhabi bike being returned. How many bikes have PJD received back from a unhappy client?

That's not what Rick said. Ricks blow up was only last season, how long has Jason been there? And he still cant design a great bike. Ricks ego??? WTF What a load of BS. When will you get it through your head that just cause Jason can draw doesn't mean he can design. When your head fabricator says he wished he could build some real bikes like when Jr was there and that Jason knows nothing about bikes tells us that Jason is not a designer.

Really? Didnt Rick try to build with Jr after Vinnie left and his biggest problem was having to read jr's mind trying to figure out what he was looking for? I am pretty sure Rick asking for a drawing or diagram might have been a reason Jason was even hired.

ghostmonkey · Guru

anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
And what you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a ad. Jr also belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look that's why they do the R and D. Signing off on a bike didn't stop the Abu Dhabi bike being returned. How many bikes have PJD received back from a unhappy client?

That's not what Rick said. Ricks blow up was only last season, how long has Jason been there? And he still cant design a great bike. Ricks ego??? WTF What a load of BS. When will you get it through your head that just cause Jason can draw doesn't mean he can design. When your head fabricator says he wished he could build some real bikes like when Jr was there and that Jason knows nothing about bikes tells us that Jason is not a designer.
Really? Didnt Rick try to build with Jr after Vinnie left and his biggest problem was having to read jr's mind trying to figure out what he was looking for? I am pretty sure Rick asking for a drawing or diagram might have been a reason Jason was even hired.

When did Rick ever ask for a drawing from Jr? Why make up lies?

Izzy Ryder · Senior Member

ghostmonkey wrote:
anotheridiot wrote:
ghostmonkey wrote:
And what you dont factor into the decision, is a customer is paying 6 figures for a ad. Jr also belives that customer wants some say in how it is gonna look that's why they do the R and D. Signing off on a bike didn't stop the Abu Dhabi bike being returned. How many bikes have PJD received back from a unhappy client?

That's not what Rick said. Ricks blow up was only last season, how long has Jason been there? And he still cant design a great bike. Ricks ego??? WTF What a load of BS. When will you get it through your head that just cause Jason can draw doesn't mean he can design. When your head fabricator says he wished he could build some real bikes like when Jr was there and that Jason knows nothing about bikes tells us that Jason is not a designer.
Really? Didnt Rick try to build with Jr after Vinnie left and his biggest problem was having to read jr's mind trying to figure out what he was looking for? I am pretty sure Rick asking for a drawing or diagram might have been a reason Jason was even hired.
When did Rick ever ask for a drawing from Jr? Why make up lies?

Just because it's never been mentioned on camera, who knows for sure if Jr never had to rework any of his customer's bikes? He has so many of them in storage at his shop right now, it is a possibility one or two of them might be there for rework.

I wish I could remember the exact episode, but I do vaguely recall Jr working off some rough sketches he made in one of the early episodes.

ghostmonkey · Guru

Izzy Ryder wrote:
Just because it's never been mentioned on camera, who knows for sure if Jr never had to rework any of his customer's bikes? He has so many of them in storage at his shop right now, it is a possibility one or two of them might be there for rework.
I wish I could remember the exact episode, but I do vaguely recall Jr working off some rough sketches he made in one of the early episodes.

Because if they had someone would of notice some of the change on a bike.

1Moparsick0 · Senior Member

anotheridiot wrote:

Really? Didnt Rick try to build with Jr after Vinnie left and his biggest problem was having to read jr's mind trying to figure out what he was looking for? I am pretty sure Rick asking for a drawing or diagram might have been a reason Jason was even hired.

No because Junior was hands on when it came to creating a tank. Even still Jason has no experience how metal works and flows, you can see that in the Sports car bike.

Renegade · Senior Member

Vinnie looked real uncomfortable trying to eat his cheese burger and balance himself out the sunroof poor guy.